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Old 04-16-2010, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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The Midwestern states you mention by and large did not feel alienated by the Northeast. You think just because there are agrarian centers in the states you mention that this is a logical argument? Slavery largely followed the cultivation of the cotton crop which was the most efficient cash crop and kept slaves busy considering the tedious process it encompassed. The South was far and away the leading exporter of cotton, not in the U.S., but the entire world, and produced 65% of America's exports. Why do you think the British and French sympathized with the CSA? You don't seem to understand the cultural, political, and economic reality of the time.


Then you agree, the reason of the rebellion wasn't simply to protect an agricultural economy but to protect an agricultural economy based on slavery; ergo, to protect slavery.

Simple now wasn't it? Like having a tooth pulled. You'll feel better now.

 
Old 04-16-2010, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Hernando County, FL
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The Rebel flag displays racism. This is the United States of America. We should all use the American flag. If people want to use the rebel flag they should not be considered Americans.
What about the PR flag at the PR Day parade?

Should the people flying it not be considered American?
 
Old 04-16-2010, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Concrete jungle where dreams are made of.
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What about the PR flag at the PR Day parade?

Should the people flying it not be considered American?

Um, that's different. They're from another country and that's their heritage. It doesn't have a racist history. A lot different than the rebel flag.
 
Old 04-16-2010, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Hernando County, FL
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Again, you can throw in a few other reasons to make yourself feel better, but slavery, by far, was the driving force behind the secession of the Confederate states. Any other issues involved were clearly secondary. You can spin it any way you want to, but the facts are the facts.
Slavery was a major contributor to the growing economy of the north. It wasn't until they had reaped a substantial gain from the enterprise that they suddenly felt it was morally reprehensible.

The south after committing substantial resources to purchasing the slaves were of course against just giving them up. This of course was not the only reason for the war but it seems to be what you want to focus on.

If someone sold you a bunch of machines for you to use in your business and then told you 2 months later that those machines were against the law to own now and you had to give them up with no compensation what would your reaction be?
 
Old 04-16-2010, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Hernando, FL
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One wonders why agrarian states like Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan had no urge to rebel. Wait....they didn't have slavery. Hmmm.
Why should they, unlike the South they were getting their fair share of federal tax dollars to build infrastructure. The South and it's cotton were responsible for at least 50 percent of all U.S. exports in Civil War times. The manipulation by the North via tariff placed a heavy burden on the South. We're talking about a sparsely populated region that had about 1/5th the population of the North generating roughly half of all U.S. trade and getting next to nothing in return from the feds.
 
Old 04-16-2010, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Hernando County, FL
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Um, that's different. They're from another country and that's their heritage. It doesn't have a racist history. A lot different than the rebel flag.
Guess you missed this part of his post

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This is the United States of America. We should all use the American flag
If you want to believe that the only history behind the Confederate Battle Flag is racism you are entitled to your distorted view.
 
Old 04-16-2010, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Hernando, FL
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Um, that's different. They're from another country and that's their heritage. It doesn't have a racist history. A lot different than the rebel flag.
Well by that logic, so too should the American Flag be discarded. It was almost exclusivley New England ships that not only brought the slaves here but took the cotton back to England flying Old Glory on the high seas.
 
Old 04-16-2010, 11:14 AM
 
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Well by that logic, so too should the American Flag be discarded. It was almost exclusivley New England ships that not only brought the slaves here but took the cotton back to England flying Old Glory on the high seas.
not to mention the fact that the kkk used the american flag as well

 
Old 04-16-2010, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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Why should they, unlike the South they were getting their fair share of federal tax dollars to build infrastructure. The South and it's cotton were responsible for at least 50 percent of all U.S. exports in Civil War times. The manipulation by the North via tariff placed a heavy burden on the South. We're talking about a sparsely populated region that had about 1/5th the population of the North generating roughly half of all U.S. trade and getting next to nothing in return from the feds.

A study of the tariff issue shows it going up and down in the period before the rebellion. Economic policy and who gets what part of the pie are purposes of politics and in a representative government not getting your own way is not an excuse for rebellion.

Not to mention that the southern elites could've shown as much enterprise as northern elites and gotten involved in modern industry and commercial life. They made poor, short sighted choices.
 
Old 04-16-2010, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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Slavery was a major contributor to the growing economy of the north.

How and when? Back up that statement.

Note that in the states of the Old Northwest slavery was never legal and had nothing to do with their mushrooming economic growth.
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