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That's an interesting take. I just don't see progressive cities, etc., as representing southern values/culture. But that's me!
Then I'd say your perception of the South is limited. Certainly big progressive cities aren't dominating the region, but they are very much a part of the Southern landscape and they are responsible for a big share of the region's rapid growth over the past several years.
Then I'd say your perception of the South is limited. Certainly big progressive cities aren't dominating the region, but they are very much a part of the Southern landscape and they are responsible for a big share of the region's rapid growth over the past several years.
I think yours is too encompassing. The south has evolved over time, with migration, new industry, etc. But much of this transformation isn't what I'd call the "epitome" of southern culture/tradition/way of life/values (from the OP). Its a lot of transported culture/values/tradition/way of life; I wouldn't call it southern culture just because these things are now prevalent in some southern regions. If every New Yorker swarmed to Arkansas or Louisiana, bringing with them their northern culture/values/traditions/way of life, the new balance of things wouldn't make Arkansas or Louisiana more southern just because they are southern states. No, far from it. These new transplants, with their different culture/traditions/way of life/values, would make Arkansas or Louisiana considerably less southern, as far as southern culture/tradition/way of life/values are generally understood.
I think yours is too encompassing. The south has evolved over time, with migration, new industry, etc. But much of this transformation isn't what I'd call the "epitome" of southern culture/tradition/way of life/values (from the OP). Its a lot of transported culture/values/tradition/way of life; I wouldn't call it southern culture just because these things are now prevalent in some southern regions. If every New Yorker swarmed to Arkansas or Louisiana, bringing with them their northern culture/values/traditions/way of life, the new balance of things wouldn't make Arkansas or Louisiana more southern just because they are southern states. No, far from it. These new transplants, with their different culture/traditions/way of life/values, would make Arkansas or Louisiana considerably less southern, as far as southern culture/tradition/way of life/values are generally understood.
Oh I agree that Southern states that have experienced the most growth aren't really the most (culturally) Southern by most people's standards, but it appears that the mention of Georgia was about a state that's most representative of the South both past and present and according to a few other factors like geography. He made a distinction between that and states considered more traditionally "Old South."
Oh I agree that Southern states that have experienced the most growth aren't really the most (culturally) Southern by most people's standards, but it appears that the mention of Georgia was about a state that's most representative of the South both past and present and according to a few other factors like geography. He made a distinction between that and states considered more traditionally "Old South."
Interesting. I picked Mississippi having no idea it was the easy #1 on this poll. I thought Georgia would be #1 but I thought Atlanta had far too many transplants and is too much of an international city to be the most Southern. I guess others here had the same train of thought.
I have a friend who delivers freight all over the country and he loves Mississippi. He says it still retains it's old time Southern charm...more so than any other southern state.
Interesting. I picked Mississippi having no idea it was the easy #1 on this poll. I thought Georgia would be #1 but I thought Atlanta had far too many transplants and is too much of an international city to be the most Southern. I guess others here had the same train of thought.
I have a friend who delivers freight all over the country and he loves Mississippi. He says it still retains it's old time Southern charm...more so than any other southern state.
You know a place had few transplants and lacked an international feel traditionally when as recently as 1980 only 3% of Atlanta area residents were Catholic. An although the Atlanta area is presently more of a hub for black transplants from around the country than any other area in the South, traditionally, that's hardly the case. Not if in comparisons to 1920 black populations when you had 1930-1970 average black populations which were 226,000 larger in Louisiana, 58,000 larger in Alabama, 26,000 larger in Mississippi, but 101,000 smaller in Georgia.
You know a place had few transplants and lacked an international feel traditionally when as recently as 1980 only 3% of Atlanta area residents were Catholic. An although the Atlanta area is presently more of a hub for black transplants from around the country than any other area in the South, traditionally, that's hardly the case. Not if in comparisons to 1920 black populations when you had 1930-1970 average black populations which were 226,000 larger in Louisiana, 58,000 larger in Alabama, 26,000 larger in Mississippi, but 101,000 smaller in Georgia.
Hey man, ATL actually started to attract in the 1970s and you have to start somewhere. I see that you post a lot of info that meant to be against the grain of Atlanta's image (to show New Orleans in a better light usually) but the info that you've provided is actually great. Atlanta has done something right with itself to scoop these people up. You think Atlanta sucks but not the definition you're thinking of, ATL does a good job siphoning the rest of the South I guess (relatively speaking).
Hey man, ATL actually started to attract in the 1970s and you have to start somewhere. I see that you post a lot of info that meant to be against the grain of Atlanta's image (to show New Orleans in a better light usually) but the info that you've provided is actually great. Atlanta has done something right with itself to scoop these people up. You think Atlanta sucks but not the definition you're thinking of, ATL does a good job siphoning the rest of the South I guess (relatively speaking).
We're nearly two decades into the 21st century and he's so stuck in the past. It must suck to take all of this so personally.
Alabama, because it is a veritable cross-section of the South and is centrally located within the South.
Huntsville and Birmingham are the Upper South, in the Applachian foothills. Mobile is the Deep South/Gulf Coast, complete with Florida-style humidity and beaches, and a Forrest Gump landscape.
If I think in absolutes of what I consider 100% Southern states I think of SC, GA, AL, MS.
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