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Just curious but why would you put Virginia over Tennessee and North Carolina?
I put it there because Virginia's history, but I probably would put TN ahead of Virginia in hindsight. I still would have VA ahead of NC because besides NOVA Virginia is a little more southern that NC imho.
I put it there because Virginia's history, but I probably would put TN ahead of Virginia in hindsight. I still would have VA ahead of NC because besides NOVA Virginia is a little more southern that NC imho.
I would have to disagree and say that North Carolina is more southern today, but hey, everyone has a different opinion. I know NOVA can't overpower the whole state of VA, but a good portion of Virginia's population lives there and it's not really southern at all IMO. The major NC urban areas of Charlotte and the Triangle feel a lot more southern than any major urban area of VA, and although Richmond is definitely a southern city, it's also similar to DC and Baltimore which are solidly Mid-Atlantic. Also, eastern NC is a lot more Deep South than any area of VA, it's pretty similar to eastern SC and southern GA and even some areas of Alabama and Mississippi. However, this is all my opinion. As a whole, both NC and VA are Upper South states. I just think that NC is a bit more southern, judging by my travels across both states in the urban and rural areas.
I would have to disagree and say that North Carolina is more southern today, but hey, everyone has a different opinion. I know NOVA can't overpower the whole state of VA, but a good portion of Virginia's population lives there and it's not really southern at all IMO. The major NC urban areas of Charlotte and the Triangle feel a lot more southern than any major urban area of VA, and although Richmond is definitely a southern city, it's also similar to DC and Baltimore which are solidly Mid-Atlantic. Also, eastern NC is a lot more Deep South than any area of VA, it's pretty similar to eastern SC and southern GA and even some areas of Alabama and Mississippi. However, this is all my opinion. As a whole, both NC and VA are Upper South states. I just think that NC is a bit more southern, judging by my travels across both states in the urban and rural areas.
I can see that too, there pretty close. I still think VA, but I can see what you're saying too.
I don't think most of Texas and Florida are that Southern. Texas has always been more about itself and Texas pride vs Southern pride. Plus while East Texas is definitely in the South, I really would not consider the Panhandle, South Texas, West Texas, or San Antonio southern at all. Dallas-Fort Worth also has very little southern culture left plus Fort Worth has always been more western than southern. The cowboy culture really is more western than southern.
The most populous regions in Florida are also so filled with northeast transplants and illegal immigrants that the southern culture has been diluted. I would honestly say today Kentucky (excluding the Cincinnati suburbs) and West Virginia (with the exception of the WHeeling and Morgantown areas) are more Southern than Texas and Florida. Virginia is southern if you leave the DC suburbs. The most Southern states are Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, and South Carolina. Its important to note that transplants are NOT liberalizing South Carolina as they are Northern Virginia and NC. Many of the transplants in SC are conservative retirees getting away from high taxes and the moral decay of the Northeast and East Coast.
One thing people forget is that there are parts of Missouri, Illinois, Ohio and even Pennsylvania that feel very southern. The lines are most definitely blurred.
I think it's safe to say that Florida, Texas, and Virginia are the least southern today out of the former Confederate states.
As a Texan and Southerner (and I will repeat 'till hell freezes over there is not the slightest contradiction in the two terms), I have to mostly agree with this.
It was sometime during the 1930's that this whole "separation" of one Confederate State being "more Southern" than another (lots of times for political and/or business reasons) ever came about at all. Prior too? There was no separation of Mississippi from Texas, etc, as in the sense of being the "epitome" of the South. That came about later, as Texas began to claim a more "frontier west" attitude and orientation...simply because it could.
But it never really worked in the long run...because the basic premise wasn't there and could last very long. Since the 1980's or so, as Glen Ely said, there has been a MUCH needed correction in Texas history books/authors, to bring back to life just how "Southern" -- from start to finish -- Texas really is. It is not -- as a whole -- "Gone With the Wind", Southern...but it IS, a state that was first described as "Empire State of the South".
Texas is Southern...just not typically Southern. It doesn't take much more than a little panfry to realize how much it really IS Southern.
As a Texan and Southerner (and I will repeat 'till hell freezes over there is not the slightest contradiction in the two terms), I have to mostly agree with this.
It was sometime during the 1930's that this whole "separation" of one Confederate State being "more Southern" than another (lots of times for political and/or business reasons) ever came about at all. Prior too? There was no separation of Mississippi from Texas, etc, as in the sense of being the "epitome" of the South. That came about later, as Texas began to claim a more "frontier west" attitude and orientation...simply because it could.
But it never really worked in the long run...because the basic premise wasn't there and could last very long. Since the 1980's or so, as Glen Ely said, there has been a MUCH needed correction in Texas history books/authors, to bring back to life just how "Southern" -- from start to finish -- Texas really is. It is not -- as a whole -- "Gone With the Wind", Southern...but it IS, a state that was first described as "Empire State of the South".
Texas is Southern...just not typically Southern. It doesn't take much more than a little panfry to realize how much it really IS Southern.
Agreed. Some time back I tried to say Texas isn't southern overall, but every former Confederate state will always contain southern aspects and will always be, IMO, southern states overall.
Like I posted before, this seems to be an accurate list IMO.
1. Mississippi
2. Alabama
3. South Carolina
4. Georgia
5. Louisiana
6. Tennessee
7. North Carolina
8. Arkansas
9. Virginia
10. Texas
11. Florida
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