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I know nothing of upstate NY tbh. I've heard (keyword) people say the towns on the VT side of lake Champlain are lot nicer than the NY side but again it's just what I've heard.
I lived in SYR for about 4yrs. Most of Upstate NY is overcast, grey and depressing. Theres some nicer areas like Saratoga, Ithaca, finger lakes, etc. but Upstate New York is a loooot more dreary and depressing than rural NE. Upstaters are bitter towards NYC, as that is where they assume all of their money went and thats why they took the blighted course. Nonetheless, the $10mil improvement initiative to Upstate NY cities is helping a lot now. Some real crapshows like Fulton NY will improve dramatically, hopefully. Im not really sure why Vermont and Western MA took such a radically different course than Upstate NY.. it kind of is sad.
Rural Upstate is also littered with Trump/Confederate flags. Idk what thats all about. Its NY, not NC or SC.
No but seriously the preppy wealthy, somewhat urbane people of FFC, Greater Boston and parts of RI have more in common with the wealthy folks I've met from the Mainline of PA and Hunterdon/Bergen/Essex County NJ than they do the libertarians of NH, the rugged rural folks of Maine and the hippies of Vermont.
Additionally, there's next to no POC in Northern NE which is in contrast to the 30%+ POC in Southern NE. For us that's a major major difference. The density of NOrthern NE also simply isn't there nor are they as economically productive per capita as MA/CT. Southeastern NH being the exception.
Places like Hartford Springfield and Providence are more akin to Paterson and Albany than Burlington Portland or even manchester..and political discussion is often catered to those urban areas,
This is definitely not true. I grew up in CT and left after high school. I've lived in NYC and NJ and Philly suburbs (briefly). Nowhere in New England has anything in common with Philly. Even when I lived in NYC for a dozen+ years I don't remember anyone talking about Philly at all and NYC is a lot closer. Philly and south Jersey definitely have a lot in common but north Jersey may as well be part of NYC tbh and again nothing like CT. SW CT definitely does not represent all of CT. Growing up I only ever went to NYC once and that was on a high school trip but we'd regularly go to RI and Mass on school trips & family stuff. High school ski club regularly went to VT and Mass. And the Cape is a huge destination in summer as are the RI beaches for people in CT. That said, CT still sucks lol. I mean it's not a terrible place to live or anything but there isn't anything exciting about it either. Great Pizza though lol.
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I lived in SYR for about 4yrs. Most of Upstate NY is overcast, grey and depressing. Theres some nicer areas like Saratoga, Ithaca, finger lakes, etc. but Upstate New York is a loooot more dreary and depressing than rural NE.
Rural Upstate is also littered with Trump/Confederate flags. Idk what thats all about. Its NY, not NC or SC.
I mean thats subjective. I find most of rural NE aside from the Berkshires not different than what your describing at all. Rural Maine and New Hsmpdhire is littered with confederate flags- you know that...much of it is impoverished as well.
I mean thats subjective. I find most of rural NE aside from the Berkshires not different than what your describing at all. Rural Maine and New Hsmpdhire is littered with confederate flags- you know that...much of it is impoverished as well.
Not to the scale of Upstate NY. By any means. Maybe the extremes of Northern NH and Maine. But, the adjacent areas to UpstAte NY including Vermont, WMA, and NWCT are just polar opposites to Upstate NY.
I do think if Upstate was its own state things would have been a lot better.
Put it this way there are more minorities (3.7 M) in Southern New England than there are people total in Northern New England (3.3M), in a much much smaller land area. They can't possibly be that coherent/cohsive lol.
No doubt that suburban Philly on the PA side at least is more like CT or MA suburbia than the vast majority of anywhere in Northern NE. This is why the NE megalopokisbdoesnt include Northern NE.
Not to the scale of Upstate NY. By any means. Maybe the extremes of Northern NH and Maine. But, the adjacent areas to UpstAte NY including Vermont, WMA, and NWCT are just polar opposites to Upstate NY.
I do think if Upstate was its own state things would have been a lot better.
Ithaca is a thing too, pretty New Englandy so far as I can tell. I don't know enough about rural upstate .
I lived in SYR for about 4yrs. Most of Upstate NY is overcast, grey and depressing. Theres some nicer areas like Saratoga, Ithaca, finger lakes, etc. but Upstate New York is a loooot more dreary and depressing than rural NE. Upstaters are bitter towards NYC, as that is where they assume all of their money went and thats why they took the blighted course. Nonetheless, the $10mil improvement initiative to Upstate NY cities is helping a lot now. Some real crapshows like Fulton NY will improve dramatically, hopefully. Im not really sure why Vermont and Western MA took such a radically different course than Upstate NY.. it kind of is sad.
Rural Upstate is also littered with Trump/Confederate flags. Idk what thats all about. Its NY, not NC or SC.
Oh I believe everything you are saying. I've heard all that about upstate before. Though I've never actually been upstate before Syracuse and Seattle are about on par for grey/overcast. I don't live in Seattle but about 60 miles SW of there (which is even worse...more rain and clouds than they get as I'm not in the rainshadow and closer to the coast.) and yeah upstate NY is definitely more dreary than New England. I've also heard lots of crime in the bigger upstate cities...how's Syracuse?
Oh I believe everything you are saying. I've heard all that about upstate before. Though I've never actually been upstate before Syracuse and Seattle are about on par for grey/overcast. I don't live in Seattle but about 60 miles SW of there (which is even worse...more rain and clouds than they get as I'm not in the rainshadow and closer to the coast.) and yeah upstate NY is definitely more dreary than New England. I've also heard lots of crime in the bigger upstate cities...how's Syracuse?
Syracuse let me just start by saying has the nicest people youll ever meet. They welcomed me into their community and I deeply appreciate the people there.
But the area.. theres a lot let to be desired for. There are a few good neighborhoods but the rest of Syracuse Is a wash. Crime? Theres some but nothing that really jumps out at me. The bar scene was fantastic thiugh. Mostly because SU and neighboring colleges. Cheap, good bar venues. I dont remember any weekend from 2015-2019.
Crime wise the worst there was were drugs. Meth, heroin, etc. Sad.. but its whatever. I much prefer Buffalo, Rochester and Albany.
Not really. Southern NE is pretty different than Northern NE. You could argue SE NH makes sense with MA. and NW MA makes sense with VT. But there's nothing coherent about CT RI and Maine VT NH.
Northern RI, Eastern MA and SW CT have more in common with the Philly area or Northern NJ than Maine or Vermont.
Well I tend to think of the north south new England divide as more of an urban rural divide, rather than a regional divide. They all at least have common New England identify. Mid-Atlantic is somewhat vauage. It sometimes includes Virginia and almost never includes interior places like Buffalo and Pittsburgh.
NY does bleed into other adjacent states, but NY is the glue of the North East places like the Hudson Valley, Albany and Saratoga are fairly similar to NE. NYC, LI have connections to NJ, the Appalachian cities of NY like Binghamton, Jamestown, Elmira feel very similar to PA, Rochester and Buffalo have the Great lakes connection to Erie Pa.
Buffalo and Cleveland obviously have lots of similarities. But they are 3 hours apart so they don't bleed into each other the way Harrisburg/York and Baltimore or Philly and Wilmington do or DC and NoVa do. Where do you draw the boundary of the north east? It's not commonly agreed. The census definition border, Census plus New Castle DE, the mason Dixon line, the Potomac?
the Northeast as defined as the northeast. It all makes sense to me.
ME VT NH MA CT RI NJ PA. All feel northern.
The mid-atlantic is vague and doesn't include the interior because they're not ‘Atlantic’.
There's interior northeast (Pittsburgh Buffalo Rochester), mid Atlantic (NJ Philly NYC), southern new England ( MA CT RI) and northern new England (NH VT ME) basically. That's if we're talking about aub regions with cultural distinction.
Northern New England is gun happy and politically mdierate save Vermont (which is only 20% of northern NE). Southern New England is zero gun culture and wildly liberal. Northern NE is relatively poor and rural. Southern NE is relatively wealthy and urban. Mid Atlantic is industrial, hyper dense, and somewhat flashy. Interior northeast is rust belt/ish and relatively unchanging/stagnant and has more nasally accents.
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