Louisiana is not a true Southern state (homes, unemployment)
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Yuck! Do not compare my home state to either of those cities. My god the differences are in the thousands, and the vast majority of Floridians want nothing to do with the south. We aren't "New South". We are Florida.
Yeah, Atlanta and Charlotte are generally more progressive than most parts of Florida. They shouldn't be grouped together.
Yeah, Atlanta and Charlotte are generally more progressive than most parts of Florida. They shouldn't be grouped together.
What on earth would make you say Atlanta and Charlotte are more progressive than Florida? Maybe more progressive than the panhandle. Certainly not elsewhere in the state.
What on earth would make you say Atlanta and Charlotte are more progressive than Florida? Maybe more progressive than the panhandle. Certainly not elsewhere in the state.
Please read what Mutiny said. Mutiny said Atlanta and Charlotte were more progressive than most parts of Florida. Most parts of Florida does not equal Miami...not even close. You also admitted Florida is not the "New South" which opened the door for criticism. What parts of Florida outside of Miami do you feel are more progressive than Charlotte and Atlanta, and why?
Please read what Mutiny said. Mutiny said Atlanta and Charlotte were more progressive than most parts of Florida. Most parts of Florida does not equal Miami...not even close. You also admitted Florida is not the "New South" which opened the door for criticism. What parts of Florida outside of Miami do you feel are more progressive than Charlotte and Atlanta, and why?
I wouldn't say that Atlanta is more progressive than any of Florida's major cities. But from a fiscal prospective Florida tends to be a pretty conservative place. Socially though it is far more progressive than anywhere in the South.
If you collate all the comments on this forum considering the status of states as 'Southern or not Southern' you will come to the conclusion that there is no consensus on the legitimacy of even one Southern state. Even the best candidates have either too many Northern carpetbaggers or too many funny talkin' subcultures to be a 'true' Southern state.
You heard it here, folks, the South does not exist.
If you collate all the comments on this forum considering the status of states as 'Southern or not Southern' you will come to the conclusion that there is no consensus on the legitimacy of even one Southern state. Even the best candidates have either too many Northern carpetbaggers or too many funny talkin' subcultures to be a 'true' Southern state.
You heard it here, folks, the South does not exist.
Not true. Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, Arkansas. All Southern states. No one would argue it.
People argue about places like Texas, Oklahoma, northern Kentucky, and northern Virginia. Places that straddle two different cultures. And I have never heard anyone on this board, including myself, say any of those places are "not Southern". It is time and time again that people say these places are a "mix".
The big nasty truth is that the South and "Southern" has a very negative connotation attached to it. Think of something great about America and you can bet your bottom dollar that it probably didn't come out of the American South. And most of the negative attributes about our country and its history are centered on Dixie. People not of that heritage don't want to be connected to that.
That being said, there are a lot of people moving to the South these days (Northerners and immigrants from abroad) who would probably like to find a middle ground with "Southerness". That middle ground is whats called a "mix".
As these things go the people living in parts of the South such as Texas and who aren't part of this change are going to reject it as much as they can.
I wouldn't say that Atlanta is more progressive than any of Florida's major cities. But from a fiscal prospective Florida tends to be a pretty conservative place. Socially though it is far more progressive than anywhere in the South.
Atlanta's more progressive than all of Florida's major cities; it's more educated, has more highly-regarded educational institutions, has a larger corporate base, rail-based transit, etc. Even in the tough spot it's in now, Atlanta still generally offers more opportunities than Florida's major cities.
Not true. Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, Arkansas. All Southern states. No one would argue it.
People argue about places like Texas, Oklahoma, northern Kentucky, and northern Virginia. Places that straddle two different cultures. And I have never heard anyone on this board, including myself, say any of those places are "not Southern". It is time and time again that people say these places are a "mix".
The big nasty truth is that the South and "Southern" has a very negative connotation attached to it. Think of something great about America and you can bet your bottom dollar that it probably didn't come out of the American South. And most of the negative attributes about our country and its history are centered on Dixie. People not of that heritage don't want to be connected to that.
That being said, there are a lot of people moving to the South these days (Northerners and immigrants from abroad) who would probably like to find a middle ground with "Southerness". That middle ground is whats called a "mix".
As these things go the people living in parts of the South such as Texas and who aren't part of this change are going to reject it as much as they can.
How about music (jazz, blues, rock 'n roll, country), cuisine (Cajun/Creole, Lowcountry), beaches, etc. for starters?
How about music (jazz, blues, rock 'n roll, country), cuisine (Cajun/Creole, Lowcountry), beaches, etc. for starters?
I could argue each of these, but I see no point in doing so because they are such tiny and trivial things.
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