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The point is, Newark Subway is a stand alone system, independent from any NYC metro area systems. Nothing like that exists in Camden. Camden has Philly's mass transit, similar to Haddonfield, NJ for example and other commuter towns, while Newark's subway is an independent system.
It's not a stand alone system anymore. You can't ignore the fact that Newark is part of the New York MSA. You can't be in the New York MSA and claim to have an independent system. Also Newark has always been in the shadow of New York City.
It's not a stand alone system anymore. You can't ignore the fact that Newark is part of the New York MSA. You can't be in the New York MSA and claim to have an independent system. Also Newark has always been in the shadow of New York City.
It is standalone, though. Newark is part of the NY metro, yes, but Newark's own subway and light rail aren't part of the MTA or PATH. There is no direct connection into NYC like there is with NJT's other lines, like Northeast Corridor or North Jersey Coast. It is a subway line that runs completely independently throughout the city of Newark. The first (or last) stop is Newark Penn Station where you have a couple options to extend on separate lines on separate tracks, sometimes separate levels of the train station, to get into NYC, on separate schedules. I've never considered the Newark system to be in tandem with NYC's or NYC at all just because Newark is part of the metro.
If your argument is that Newark's system doesn't count because the OP appeared to ask for a system in an area of a smaller city/metro, then okay, but Newark's system is standalone. The fact that it is in the NYC metro doesn't mean that Newark's own mass transit belongs to NYC in any way, that's quite an argument that many New Jerseyans would disagree with.
It's not a stand alone system anymore. You can't ignore the fact that Newark is part of the New York MSA. You can't be in the New York MSA and claim to have an independent system. Also Newark has always been in the shadow of New York City.
It is a standalone system, it is not a part of any NYC area system. Newark is in the shadow of NYC... what kind of argument is that?? Philly is in a shadow of NYC, is SEPTA now not an independent Philly area agency, but an extension of NYC transit? Your argument is ridiculous.
Agreed. And lots of small suburbs in large metro areas.
I'm trying to stay away from transit like this (any kind that connects suburbs/exurbs to their larger principal city) because they connect with their larger cities.. so this doesn't count.
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I'm confused, are you looking for any small town with mass transit, towns that are NOT connected to a major city, smaller cities with mass transit, or smaller metropolitan areas with mass transit?
Yes.
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It might be less confusing if you asked about small cities with train systems. Or BRT systems. But then you wouldn't get Morgantown which is unique and indeed a small city.
Because many of us think of busses as mass transit. It is transit for groups (masses) of people.
Not exactly sure what you're saying here as I specified train and BRT, but no buses (because there are MANY bus systems in small towns throught the country).
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Do you mind explaining the motivation for your post? Looking to relocate carfree or just starting a conversation?
Again, I explained that in my original post.
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It's not a stand alone system anymore. You can't ignore the fact that Newark is part of the New York MSA. You can't be in the New York MSA and claim to have an independent system. Also Newark has always been in the shadow of New York City.
For argument's sake, lets just not include Northern New Jersey in this because it falls in with either NYC MSA or Philly MSA.. obvious very large cities. Even if they do happen to be standalones that at one time did not connect to the larger systems.
I read somewhere that Pittsburgh turned the monorail testing down but Morgantown jumped at the chance.
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