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Old 01-26-2008, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Get used to it. Immaturity is now the "norm" on this forum, and whenever we try to bring abuse of the negative reputation system to anyone's attention, we're the ones who get treated like the burden.
This is true. Off-topic, but true.
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Old 01-28-2008, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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This is true. Off-topic, but true.
Yes. Off-topic indeed, and I apologize. I just needed to vent what was irking me!
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Old 01-28-2008, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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This is the exact reason why I'm moving to Scranton, where people are INTELLIGENT enough to have SIDEWALKS along their GRID-SHAPED, and TREE-LINED streets.
Out here in rural AZ, we prefer not to have sidewalks with tree lined streets. IN FACT, some of our "streets" are not even paved - heck, we get a road grader and simply cut a path!
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Old 01-28-2008, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Out here in rural AZ, we prefer not to have sidewalks with tree lined streets. IN FACT, some of our "streets" are not even paved - heck, we get a road grader and simply cut a path!
I'm assuming these aren't "main" roads though, are they? I'm referencing the fact that runners, joggers, moms pushing strollers, etc. shouldn't be forced to jockey for position with speeding SUVs on main drags. My own subdivision doesn't have sidewalks, curbs, street lights, etc. either, but I couldn't care less because our roads handle perhaps 200 vehicle trips per day as compared to the tens of thousands on the roadway I fell on. I've had too many close calls for my personal taste.
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Old 01-28-2008, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I'm assuming these aren't "main" roads though, are they? I'm referencing the fact that runners, joggers, moms pushing strollers, etc. shouldn't be forced to jockey for position with speeding SUVs on main drags. My own subdivision doesn't have sidewalks, curbs, street lights, etc. either, but I couldn't care less because our roads handle perhaps 200 vehicle trips per day as compared to the tens of thousands on the roadway I fell on. I've had too many close calls for my personal taste.
Heck yes - they are main roads into where the houses are.

You won't find to many moms pushing strollers - or joggers. You will find the duelly pickups, the SUV's with high ground clearances.
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Old 01-28-2008, 09:32 PM
 
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Out here in rural AZ, we prefer not to have sidewalks with tree lined streets. IN FACT, some of our "streets" are not even paved - heck, we get a road grader and simply cut a path!
Your name wouldn't be H.I. would it?

Just kidding.
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Old 01-28-2008, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Your name wouldn't be H.I. would it?

Just kidding.

OK - then again, I really did not understand your post anyway!
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Old 01-28-2008, 09:41 PM
 
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OK - then again, I really did not understand your post anyway!
Raising Arizona
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I don't think anyone wants to "drive everywhere". I have posted again and again how I live in a suburb that is walkable, and that there are many like it in metro Denver. I also grew up in such a suburb in the Pittsburgh area. I think it would behoove the city folks to actually get out in the suburbs and see what they are like. Most people live very close to a grocery store, as I said earlier, that is usually the first business to go into a burb. Most have libraries, sports fields, community parks, and other such amenities. Many have cultural facilities. The large ones have shopping, and not all in mega-malls.

RE: paragraph 3, most burbs have all that now. I only drive 4 1/2 miles to work, my husband drives 6. I know people who live in Denver and drive to the burbs to work who drive much farther.
Pittnurse please! We know some are walkable and have conveniences nearby but we all know it is not the majority of suburbs in America. You know it and I know it.
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:27 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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A whole lot of the shift, which isn't just to urban areas, but also to higher density suburban developments, I feel has to do with the changing size of the American family.

When you have a 2 parent home with 4 kids, keeping the half acre yard mowed isn't hard.

http://www.ci.cambridge.ma.us/%7Ecdd/data/images/demo/hh_size_2000.gif (broken link)


When you're single or just have 1 kid, all the extra chores required to maintain such a property is a lot harder

The fertility rate, or number of children born to a woman in her lifetime, has also fallen dramatically

http://www.elderweb.com/sites/elderweb/files/albums/history/fertilityrate.gif (broken link)
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