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Old 08-20-2015, 11:13 AM
 
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I posted this somewhere else, but I was digging through 20 years of building permits for single family and multi-family and collected a ton of information. Here is a bit of it, I was focusing more on multi-family since that was the topic of the conversation in that specific thread.

Censtats Database

If you want to add your city feel free! This is just for central city, I know of course that a lot of metro growth is split between different cities, etc. within the metro.

Multi-Family units added during 2014:

New York City - 19,887
Houston - 14,906
Los Angeles - 9,596
Dallas - 6,675
Seattle - 6,547
Chicago - 5,214
Denver - 4,248
Atlanta - 3,960
Washington DC - 3,901
Miami - 3,714
Phoenix - 3,530
Philadelphia - 3,217
Boston - 2,793
San Fran - 2,676
San Diego - 2,031
Detroit - 205

Average multi-family units added since 1996 (Per year)

New York City - 16,766
Houston - 6,822
Los Angeles - 5,404
Chicago - 5,218
Dallas - 4,214
Atlanta - 4,100
Seattle - 3,649
Phoenix - 2,965
San Diego - 2,784
Miami - 2,779
Denver - 2,150
San Fran - 2,009
Washington DC - 1,513
Philadelphia - 1,280
Boston - 1,036
Detroit - 218

Total Multi Family Built from 1996 to 2014

New York City - 318,548
Houston - 129,626
Los Angeles - 102,679
Chicago - 99,146
Dallas - 80,073
Atlanta - 77,903
Seattle - 69,337
Phoenix - 56,331
San Diego - 52,888
Miami - 52,804
Denver - 40,847
San Fran - 38,168
Washington DC - 28,752
Philadelphia - 24,314
Boston - 19,693
Detroit - 4,146

Total Housing Units Built from 1996 to 2014

New York City - 336,095
Houston - 215,420
Phoenix - 155,956
Los Angeles - 128,408
Chicago - 113,822
Dallas - 113,136
Atlanta - 91,487
Seattle - 80,143
San Diego - 79,270
Denver - 67,717
Miami - 54,204
San Fran - 39,681
Washington DC - 32,938
Philadelphia - 30,427
Boston - 20,964
Detroit - 6,561

Average Total Housing Units Built Per Year 1996-2014

New York City - 17,689
Houston - 11,338
Phoenix - 8,208
Los Angeles - 6,758
Chicago - 5,991
Dallas - 5,955
Atlanta - 4,815
Seattle - 4,218
San Diego - 4,172
Denver - 3,564
Miami - 2,853
San Fran - 2,088
Washington DC - 1,734
Philadelphia - 1,601
Boston - 1,103
Detroit - 345

Total Single Family Home Construction 1996 to 2014

Phoenix - 99,625
Houston - 85,794
Dallas - 33,063
Denver - 26,870
San Diego - 26,382
Los Angeles - 25,729
New York City - 17,547
Chicago - 14,676
Atlanta - 13,584
Seattle - 10,806
Philadelphia - 6,113
Washington DC - 4,186
Detroit - 2,415
San Fran - 1,513
Miami - 1,400
Boston - 1,271
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:14 AM
 
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Here are the number of units built during the boom years of 2004 through 2008:

Multi Units:

New York City - 149,200
Chicago - 46,499
Los Angeles - 41,210
Houston - 35,317
Atlanta - 33,635
Miami - 28,338
Seattle - 21,708
Dallas - 20,767
Phoenix - 16,634
San Diego - 13,646
San Fran - 11,441
Philadelphia - 9,106
Washington DC - 8,046
Denver - 7,997
Boston - 5,844
Detroit - 1,340

Total Housing Units from 2004 to 2008

New York City - 153,547
Houston - 65,816
Phoenix - 59,542
Chicago - 51,759
Los Angeles - 50,877
Atlanta - 40,146
Dallas - 33,939
Miami - 28,876
Seattle - 24,847
San Diego - 18,210
Denver - 17,976
San Fran - 11,757
Philadelphia - 11,207
Washington DC - 9,347
Boston - 6,208
Detroit - 2,455

Greatest Number of Multi-Unit Built During One Year

New York City - 33,421
Houston - 14,906
Chicago - 12,668
Los Angeles - 12,027
Miami - 10,607
Atlanta - 8,937
Dallas - 8,215
Seattle - 6,799
Phoenix - 5,969
Denver - 4,586
San Diego - 4,487
San Fran - 4,420
Washington DC - 4,385
Philadelphia - 3,217
Boston - 2,793
Detroit - 500

Greatest Number Single Family Homes Built During One Year

Phoenix - 12,749
Houston - 7,503
Denver - 4,098
Dallas - 3,353
San Diego - 2,819
Los Angeles - 2,482
Atlanta - 1,842
New York City - 1,701
Chicago - 1,507
Seattle - 914
Philadelphia - 756
Washington DC - 576
Detroit - 382
San Fran - 189
Miami - 133
Boston - 127

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Old 08-20-2015, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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I posted this somewhere else, but I was digging through 20 years of building permits for single family and multi-family and collected a ton of information. Here is a bit of it, I was focusing more on multi-family since that was the topic of the conversation in that specific thread.

Censtats Database

If you want to add your city feel free! This is just for central city, I know of course that a lot of metro growth is split between different cities, etc. within the metro.

Multi-Family units added during 2014:

New York City - 19,887
Houston - 14,906
Los Angeles - 9,596
Dallas - 6,675
Seattle - 6,547
Chicago - 5,214
Denver - 4,248
Atlanta - 3,960
Washington DC - 3,901
Miami - 3,714
Phoenix - 3,530
Philadelphia - 3,217
Boston - 2,793
San Fran - 2,676
San Diego - 2,031
Detroit - 205

Average multi-family units added since 1996 (Per year)

New York City - 16,766
Houston - 6,822
Los Angeles - 5,404
Chicago - 5,218
Dallas - 4,214
Atlanta - 4,100
Seattle - 3,649
Phoenix - 2,965
San Diego - 2,784
Miami - 2,779
Denver - 2,150
San Fran - 2,009
Washington DC - 1,513
Philadelphia - 1,280
Boston - 1,036
Detroit - 218

Total Multi Family Built from 1996 to 2014

New York City - 318,548
Houston - 129,626
Los Angeles - 102,679
Chicago - 99,146
Dallas - 80,073
Atlanta - 77,903
Seattle - 69,337
Phoenix - 56,331
San Diego - 52,888
Miami - 52,804
Denver - 40,847
San Fran - 38,168
Washington DC - 28,752
Philadelphia - 24,314
Boston - 19,693
Detroit - 4,146

Total Housing Units Built from 1996 to 2014

New York City - 336,095
Houston - 215,420
Phoenix - 155,956
Los Angeles - 128,408
Chicago - 113,822
Dallas - 113,136
Atlanta - 91,487
Seattle - 80,143
San Diego - 79,270
Denver - 67,717
Miami - 54,204
San Fran - 39,681
Washington DC - 32,938
Philadelphia - 30,427
Boston - 20,964
Detroit - 6,561

Average Total Housing Units Built Per Year 1996-2014

New York City - 17,689
Houston - 11,338
Phoenix - 8,208
Los Angeles - 6,758
Chicago - 5,991
Dallas - 5,955
Atlanta - 4,815
Seattle - 4,218
San Diego - 4,172
Denver - 3,564
Miami - 2,853
San Fran - 2,088
Washington DC - 1,734
Philadelphia - 1,601
Boston - 1,103
Detroit - 345

Total Single Family Home Construction 1996 to 2014

Phoenix - 99,625
Houston - 85,794
Dallas - 33,063
Denver - 26,870
San Diego - 26,382
Los Angeles - 25,729
New York City - 17,547
Chicago - 14,676
Atlanta - 13,584
Seattle - 10,806
Philadelphia - 6,113
Washington DC - 4,186
Detroit - 2,415
San Fran - 1,513
Miami - 1,400
Boston - 1,271
That is way off for Washington D.C.

2014 Residential Units Delivered City Proper:

2014 Delivered City Proper: 6,908 units

2014 Projects Under Construction City Proper:

City Proper Residential Construction: 87 Buildings (11,937 units)

D.C. Development Pipeline City Proper:

Residential: 202 Buildings (52,874 units)

Source: http://www.slideshare.net/fullscreen...2015-edition/1

**This is just city proper.**
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:26 AM
 
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^ go talk to the government, these are their consolidated numbers for the country. This is permits issued, your number looks to be units delivered. There is probably a difference given that permits are issued before construction is lined up and started.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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^ go talk to the government, these are their consolidated numbers for the country.
I know, the estimates from the census bureau for housing units seem to always be way off for most cities. Its best to get the information from each individual city government themselves.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:34 AM
 
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I know, the estimates from the census bureau for housing units seem to always be way off for most cities. Its best to get the information from each individual city government themselves.
They aren't estimates, they're documentation that's required to be given by every permit-issuing jurisdictions in the country, municipalities, county offices, townships or unincorporated towns.

These are the numbers directly reported, and then the census/government conducts audits each year on a sample of the numbers.

I think your issue is between permits issued vs timing of delivery. That or the district isn't reporting correctly. There were 15,000 permits issued in DC over the past four years, maybe your deliveries are caught up in those numbers.
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Old 08-20-2015, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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They aren't estimates, they're documentation that's required to be given by every permit-issuing jurisdictions in the country, municipalities, county offices, townships or unincorporated towns.

These are the numbers directly reported, and then the census/government conducts audits each year on a sample of the numbers.

I think your issue is between permits issued vs timing of delivery. That or the district isn't reporting correctly. There were 15,000 permits issued in DC over the past four years, maybe your deliveries are caught up in those numbers.
My numbers? Lol...they aren't my numbers. Did you even check the source? That's where those numbers came from. I can post a few buildings that delivered last year myself that are over the numbers you gave lol. Have you been to DC lately? If so, you yourself would have stopped and questioned those numbers.
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Old 08-20-2015, 12:53 PM
 
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My numbers? Lol...they aren't my numbers. Did you even check the source? That's where those numbers came from. I can post a few buildings that delivered last year myself that are over the numbers you gave lol. Have you been to DC lately? If so, you yourself would have stopped and questioned those numbers.
First I implore you to try and stay calm through all this, no reason to get upset. I said they are your numbers because you were the one who posted them. I didn't say you invented all the numbers. All I did is post official statistics that are required to be given to the federal government for all residential building permits issued by any permit issuing agency or city on a monthly and annual basis across the country. If you don't like the census numbers then take it up with them. They're fairly obvious and open about what their information represents.

If you don't like it I'm sorry. I've been to DC dozens of times, yes. Why does that matter? What year were the permits issued for all these units delivered that you speak of? I can't help you with why the information you presented for Washington, D.C. Doesn't match the information they're required to supply the government.
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Old 08-20-2015, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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First I implore you to try and stay calm through all this, no reason to get upset. I said they are your numbers because you were the one who posted them. I didn't say you invented all the numbers. All I did is post official statistics that are required to be given to the federal government for all residential building permits issued by any permit issuing agency or city on a monthly and annual basis across the country. If you don't like the census numbers then take it up with them. They're fairly obvious and open about what their information represents.

If you don't like it I'm sorry. I've been to DC dozens of times, yes. Why does that matter? What year were the permits issued for all these units delivered that you speak of? I can't help you with why the information you presented for Washington, D.C. Doesn't match the information they're required to supply the government.
I say estimates because they aren't exact. It's more accurate to go with an entity that actually deals with residential construction across the nation that actually tracks apartment delivery. I can guarantee you those numbers are probably off for every city you listed. That was the point I was making. Also, I'm not mad, I just said those numbers were very inaccurate and posted the actual numbers.
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Old 08-20-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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I say estimates because they aren't exact. It's more accurate to go with an entity that actually deals with residential construction across the nation that actually tracks apartment delivery. I can guarantee you those numbers are probably off for every city you listed. That was the point I was making. Also, I'm not mad, I just said those numbers were very inaccurate and posted the actual numbers.
They're residential building permits legally required to be filed by every municipality, township or unincorporated county juristiction based on number of buildings, number of units, etc. All I'm saying is you keep stating they're estimates, not accurate and not counted by an entity that deals in construction and delivery.

They're straight up permits filed with a city to construct residential units......how exactly does it get any more simple than that?

The source you showed from the DC Economic Partnership put together by CBRE shows different, and if they're all jacked up for DC that's unfortunate and someone in their local government should be fired for underreporting, but at least for Chicago and a few other cities I spot checked with other google sources they look to be legit and match up.

Just because DC screwed up doesn't imply that every other city did as well.
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