"In the Shadow of" Cities (suburbs, office)

[Minnehahapolitan]

Chicago is what Detroit would look like if we would have all brought American cars.
Anyways, how is Chicago behind New York? They are both large cities and you hear about the latter more often? Honestly, what possible rationale could anyone have for that? If anything, Chicago is dogged by its workingman roots.

[f1000]

I like Chicago so much more than NYC in many ways. It has for sure its own history & vibrancy. It has alot going for it. It is in its own world too.
However, NYC is often at the forefront of things, and Chicago usually trails behind although ahead of other big cities. In that sense, Chicago is in NYC's "shadow"-as are many other prominent cities. All in all, that does not mean Chicago aspires to be like NYC. It's just overshadowed by it in many ways.

Tampa is the "Oakland" while St. Petersburg is more like a miniature, boring, Florida-fied "San Francisco"

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by f1000

Cities that are linked, or similar to a certain degree, but the former "in the shadow" of/ "aspiring to be like" the latter...

Reno & Atlantic City - Las Vegas

Chicago - NYC (not so much Chicago aspiring to be like NYC as it is in the shadow of..)

Lake Tahoe, CA- Aspen, CO (ski recreational comparisons)

Tampa Bay - Orlando

Oakland & San Jose - San Francisco (geographic/ social distinctions)

Portland - Seattle (Seattle is the big brother)
Baltimore - Washington, DC

Green Bay Wisconsin-- Madison Wisconsin
Madison Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Milwaukee Wisconsin--Chicago ILL
Grand Rapids MI--Detroit
Toledo Ohio--Cleveland Ohio
Reno--Las Vegas
Stockton CA--Sacramento CA
Bakersfield CA--Fresno CA
San Diego CA--Los Angeles CA
Oakland CA--San Francisco CA
Portland Oregon--Seattle Washington
Norman OK--Oklahoma City OK
Broken Arrow OK--Tulsa OK
Lawton OK--Wichita Falls Texas
Fort Worth--Dallas Texas
St. Paul--Minneapolis Minneasota
Fort Wayne--Indianapolis
Fort Lauderdale--Miami
Baltimore--Washington D.C.
Philladephia--N.Y.C.
Birmingham Alabama--Atlanta GA
Savannah GA--Jacksonville FL.
Raleigh N.C.--Charalotte N.C.
Kansas City--St. Louis
Richmond VA--Norfork VA

[ajf131]

I agree with kshe95girl. We are rivals with Chicago, we may be in their shadow in the sense that they grew when we did not, but St. Louis very much has its own identity as a city as does Chicago. If any city is in the shadow of Chicago, I would say its Milwaukee or maybe Detroit or Indianapolis. Not really sure though, because again, these three cities all have their own major identities. No city really is in the shadow of another city, plain and simple. This is going to provoke a fight IMO. Every city has something to unique to offer.

[john_starks]

howest2008 - i'd have to agree with Philly--NYC. its subtle, but its there. its a big ass city within an hour and a half from one of the biggest, most well known cities in the world. that's why it has that "underdog" mentality imo. kinda like B'more's proximity to DC.

if Philly & B'more were in the south or midwest, etc.., they would be the cat's meow.

[Ohiogirl81]

Philadelphia has a huge inferiority complex because it's not New York or Washington.

[john_starks]

^^exactly. a big city flanked by the financial capital & the nations' capital. lol.

hey, but it still has its own character. otherwise it would be Newark 2.0

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by Howest2008

Kansas City--St. Louis

I never really thought that KC was in the shadow of STL at all, KC has completely different vibe, IMHO, can you tell us why you think it does? I would be interested in hearing that!

[Ben Around]

For years, Buffalo and Rochester were their own cities, aspiring to be no one but themselves. Then a couple decades ago, it appears that Rochester aspired to be Buffalo. Now look where it got Rochester!

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by DannyBanany

I'm not sure I would say that Boulder is "in the shadow of/aspires to be" Denver. The two cities are worlds different and they even have different landscapes. Maybe Colorado Springs is in the shadow of Denver.

Some small cities try to be like big ones too. I live in Rapid City and people here associate themselves to Denver. People in Sioux Falls associate themselves to Minneapolis. Omaha associates itself to Chicago.

I would not say Boulder is "in the shadow of" Denver. Boulder is more of a suburb of Denver, even though it sometimes likes to think it is not. There are many people from both cities who work in the other one. Boulder has a population of < 100,000 people, Denver has >500,000 plus burbs.

Originally Posted by metro223

This is a good idea f1000. I'll list some cities that I personally think live in a shadow:

*Fort Worth lives in the shadow of Dallas.
*Tacoma lives in the shadow of Portland/Seattle.
*Saint Paul lives in the shadow of Minneapolis.
*Tulsa lives in the shadow of OKC.
*Tuscon lives in the shadow of Phoenix.
*Colorado Springs lives in the shadow of Denver.

I'm not sure than these are all "aspiring to be like" the latter, but I definitely think that most of them live in the shadow of their neighbor because they are smaller, while if they were set in an area by themselves that wouldn't be the case.

I don't think Colorado Srings lives in the shadow of Denver, either, or aspires to be like it. COS has a population of about 400,000, with a metro of about 600,000. Denver is not much larger in the city proper, but has a metro of about 2.5 million. Denver is a major-league city, in many ways that COS is not. I think Salt Lake City is more in Denver's shadow.