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Originally Posted by murksiderock
You're being dramatic, you and I have had these conversations before. You don't have to conduct anything, I lived in your home region and have family there. I didn't go to school there, so I won't speak to that, but I lived there as an adult and have adult remembrances and experiences of regional identity of the natives...
Dramatic? Funny, I thought I was just being lightheartedly silly.
What I mean by this is that Virginia should be recognized for its influence on the nation more than its influence on the south. It was the first British Colony and gave way to the creation of six other US states. North Carolina and Maryland were also apart of the Virginia colony before they were settled. It was also the birthplace of eight US presidents. This is more than any other state. Before the confederacy, Virginia was obviously a large slave state with lots of plantations. However, most of the lowland South adopted the West Indian plantation model with race based slavery. Virginia predated this model and had many free African Americans who owned slaves of their own. I am not saying that Virginia did not have an impact on the South. I just feel like Virginia had just as much impact on every other part of the Eastern Seaboard. Virginia is more on its own along with Maryland when it comes to colonial culture. While it did influence the South to some degree, Virginia itself was its own culture.
Also, the book American Nations by Colin Woodard talks about how the much smaller Chesapeake region differed from the other parts of the South which is much larger in size according to him.
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The large part of it is that all those areas are politically liberal.
But the composition of what makes the areas liberal are completely different. Maryland being an official southern state, that in reality is more neutral, is an outlier. The reason that it is so liberal is because of the large black population the state has. In New York and New Jersey (and even Pennsylvania), there are large blue collar white areas that are traditionally democratic. If you go to similar areas in Maryland, they are almost 100% conservative. You will not find a large black county like PG county Maryland anywhere in the Northeast. That is an example of Maryland's southern characteristics, and is a big reason it is such a blue state.
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But the composition of what makes the areas liberal are completely different. Maryland being an official southern state, that in reality is more neutral, is an outlier. The reason that it is so liberal is because of the large black population the state has. In New York and New Jersey (and even Pennsylvania), there are large blue collar white areas that are traditionally democratic. If you go to similar areas in Maryland, they are almost 100% conservative. You will not find a large black county like PG county Maryland anywhere in the Northeast. That is an example of Maryland's southern characteristics, and is a big reason it is such a blue state.
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False. Maryland is not 100% conservative outside of PG and Baltimore, wtf?
It's mid-Atlantic/Northern now. PG County is just one outlier, there are 24 counties in the state.
Heck even Virginia now has moderate areas that are mixed in outside of NOVA and Richmond that vote blue. Sounds like your stuck in a time warp, this is 2018.
What I mean by this is that Virginia should be recognized for its influence on the nation more than its influence on the south. It was the first British Colony and gave way to the creation of six other US states. North Carolina and Maryland were also apart of the Virginia colony before they were settled. It was also the birthplace of eight US presidents. This is more than any other state. Before the confederacy, Virginia was obviously a large slave state with lots of plantations. However, most of the lowland South adopted the West Indian plantation model with race based slavery. Virginia predated this model and had many free African Americans who owned slaves of their own. I am not saying that Virginia did not have an impact on the South. I just feel like Virginia had just as much impact on every other part of the Eastern Seaboard. Virginia is more on its own along with Maryland when it comes to colonial culture. While it did influence the South to some degree, Virginia itself was its own culture.
Also, the book American Nations by Colin Woodard talks about how the much smaller Chesapeake region differed from the other parts of the South which is much larger in size according to him.
There was certainly a basis for your statement but just wanted to hear it fleshed out a bit. Much appreciated.
But the composition of what makes the areas liberal are completely different. Maryland being an official southern state, that in reality is more neutral, is an outlier. The reason that it is so liberal is because of the large black population the state has. In New York and New Jersey (and even Pennsylvania), there are large blue collar white areas that are traditionally democratic. If you go to similar areas in Maryland, they are almost 100% conservative. You will not find a large black county like PG county Maryland anywhere in the Northeast. That is an example of Maryland's southern characteristics, and is a big reason it is such a blue state.
Mississippi, Louisiana, and Georgia all have higher Black percentages statewide than Maryland.
Heck even Virginia now has moderate areas that are mixed in outside of NOVA and Richmond that vote blue. Sounds like your stuck in a time warp, this is 2018.
Maryland is certainly an outlier for the south and the northeast due to it's more affluent Black culture that doesn't really exist in most of the south and almost non-existent in the pure northeast. When I say affluent black culture I'm talking about hbcus, upper middle-class black neighborhoods, towns where blacks make on average over 100k a year, etc. When it comes to black culture Maryland leans more southern but white culture it leans more northern.
Heck even Virginia now has moderate areas that are mixed in outside of NOVA and Richmond that vote blue. Sounds like your stuck in a time warp, this is 2018.
Maryland is liberal because like 2/3 of its population now lives in two big metropolitan areas. It's one of the most Democratic states in the country because both minorities and public sector employees are vastly over-represented in the state. The areas of the state that aren't touched much by either (such as Western Maryland) tend to be fairly Republican and conservative. But you could probably say that about similar areas in Pennsylvania as well, so I don't know how "Southern" that makes them.
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