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The discussion has largely revolved around the idea that Southern domestic migration is from the North. You would be right that a significant amount of it is simply from one Southern location to another, but that is not what the long-held belief actually is, and it is certainly not the theme that has been pushed about for decades. Instead, it was how everyone was miserable in the cold North and wanted to move South.
Actually in Atlanta's case, the long-held belief includes the notion of Atlanta as being an oasis in the South and a big magnet for folks from surrounding states in addition to Northerners.
You assume that most of that growth was through domestic migration. It was not. Let's take Atlanta. From 1990-2014, metro Atlanta grew by 1,350,885. Of that total, about 21% was international migration and 42.4% was natural growth (births vs. deaths), so a full 63% was growth other than domestic. You then assume that the remaining 37% was largely domestic migration from North, and logically that just cannot be true.
Metro Atlanta in 1990 was 3,068,000. In 2014, that number is 5,614,000 so metro Atlanta grew by over 2.5 million since 1990, not 1,350,885.
Metro Atlanta in 1990 was 3,068,000. In 2014, that number is 5,614,000 so metro Atlanta grew by over 2.5 million since 1990, not 1,350,885.
Not to take away from the point but how much of that growth was through legit population growth, and how much of it was from the absorption of satellite counties as commuters started coming from further out?
Not to take away from the point but how much of that growth was through legit population growth, and how much of it was from the absorption of satellite counties as commuters started coming from further out?
Even if we take the more compact "Urban area" of Atlanta, it still went from 2.158 million in 1990 to 4.743 million in 2010. The source below takes urbanized area, instead of simply MSA.
There's no denying it. Atlanta had massive growth in the 90s and 2000s. In fact, using this methodology, it's even more impressive. Atlanta more than doubled its entire urban area in just 20 years.
These numbers of domestic out migration from the northeast and midwest and domestic in migration for the south and the west are pretty large for 2013-2014. has anyone done numbers for 2014- 2015 ? http://www.census.gov/popest/
"New York State led in out migration as a net of 153,921 people moved from the state to elsewhere in the country. Texas led in in migration as a net of 154,467 moved into the state from elsewhere in the country.
Illinois had the second highest domestic outmigration, with a net of 94,956 leaving the state for other parts of the country and Florida had the second highest domestic immigration with 138,546 moving to the state from other parts of the country.
The Northeast region (which includes Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania) saw a net domestic outmigration of 286,696 from July 1, 2013 to 2104.
The Midwest Region (which includes Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, and South Dakota) also had a net domestic outmigration. From July 1, 2013 to July 1, 2014 it saw a net movement of 182,057 people leave for other parts of the country.
The West (which includes Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, New Mexico, Montana, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Alaska, California, Hawaii, Oregon, and Washington) had a net domestic inmigration of 103,464. That number was held down by California which had the fourth highest net domestic outmigration (32,090) of all states. New Mexico (14,154), Alaska (10,137), Hawaii (5,141) and Utah (1,235) all joined California as western states with a net domestic outmigration.
The South (which includes Delaware, D.C., Florida, Georgia, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas) had a net domestic inmigration of 365,289. The only two states in this region that had a net domestic outmigration were Arkansas (3,890) and West Virginia (2,749)."
These numbers of domestic out migration from the northeast and midwest and domestic in migration for the south and the west are pretty large for 2013-2014. has anyone done numbers for 2014- 2015 ? Population Estimates - People and Households - U.S. Census Bureau
"New York State led in out migration as a net of 153,921 people moved from the state to elsewhere in the country. Texas led in in migration as a net of 154,467 moved into the state from elsewhere in the country.
Illinois had the second highest domestic outmigration, with a net of 94,956 leaving the state for other parts of the country and Florida had the second highest domestic immigration with 138,546 moving to the state from other parts of the country.
The Northeast region (which includes Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania) saw a net domestic outmigration of 286,696 from July 1, 2013 to 2104.
The Midwest Region (which includes Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, and South Dakota) also had a net domestic outmigration. From July 1, 2013 to July 1, 2014 it saw a net movement of 182,057 people leave for other parts of the country.
The West (which includes Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, New Mexico, Montana, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Alaska, California, Hawaii, Oregon, and Washington) had a net domestic inmigration of 103,464. That number was held down by California which had the fourth highest net domestic outmigration (32,090) of all states. New Mexico (14,154), Alaska (10,137), Hawaii (5,141) and Utah (1,235) all joined California as western states with a net domestic outmigration.
The South (which includes Delaware, D.C., Florida, Georgia, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas) had a net domestic inmigration of 365,289. The only two states in this region that had a net domestic outmigration were Arkansas (3,890) and West Virginia (2,749)."
Are you calculating regional migration by adding together the inmigration and outmigration of each state in the region? If so that is incorrect because it doesn't account for people from one state in the region moving to another state in the region. The census numbers track movement from state to state, not region to region.
These numbers of domestic out migration from the northeast and midwest and domestic in migration for the south and the west are pretty large for 2013-2014. has anyone done numbers for 2014- 2015 ? Population Estimates - People and Households - U.S. Census Bureau
"New York State led in out migration as a net of 153,921 people moved from the state to elsewhere in the country. Texas led in in migration as a net of 154,467 moved into the state from elsewhere in the country.
Illinois had the second highest domestic outmigration, with a net of 94,956 leaving the state for other parts of the country and Florida had the second highest domestic immigration with 138,546 moving to the state from other parts of the country.
The Northeast region (which includes Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania) saw a net domestic outmigration of 286,696 from July 1, 2013 to 2104.
The Midwest Region (which includes Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, and South Dakota) also had a net domestic outmigration. From July 1, 2013 to July 1, 2014 it saw a net movement of 182,057 people leave for other parts of the country.
The West (which includes Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, New Mexico, Montana, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Alaska, California, Hawaii, Oregon, and Washington) had a net domestic inmigration of 103,464. That number was held down by California which had the fourth highest net domestic outmigration (32,090) of all states. New Mexico (14,154), Alaska (10,137), Hawaii (5,141) and Utah (1,235) all joined California as western states with a net domestic outmigration.
The South (which includes Delaware, D.C., Florida, Georgia, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas) had a net domestic inmigration of 365,289. The only two states in this region that had a net domestic outmigration were Arkansas (3,890) and West Virginia (2,749)."
As for the states in the South, it's curious that Alabama, Kentucky & Mississippi did not also make your list of states with net domestic outmigration given their poor population performance which, in the case of Mississippi, actually was an absolute loss in population from the previous year.
Florida: 19% Northeast, 11% Midwest, 3% West (33% total)
Virginia: 17% Northeast, 6% Midwest, 4% West (27% total)
North Carolina: 12% Northeast, 6% Midwest, 3% West (21% total)
South Carolina: 11% Northeast, 6% Midwest, 3% West (20% total)
Midwest-Dominated states:
Oklahoma: 2% Northeast, 10% Midwest, 8% West (20% total)
Kentucky: 4% Northeast, 13% Midwest, 2% West (19% total)
Arkansas: 2% Northeast, 10% Midwest, 6% West (18% total)
Tennessee: 5% Northeast, 9% Midwest, 3% West (17% total)
Texas: 3% Northeast, 6% Midwest, 5% West (14% total)
Alabama: 3% Northeast, 5% Midwest, 2% West (10% total)
Mississippi: 2% Northeast, 5% Midwest, 2% West (9% total)
Louisiana: 2% Northeast, 3% Midwest, 2% West (7% total)
Even:
Georgia: 8% Northeast, 8% Midwest, 3% West (19% total)
Basically, Northeastern transplants only move in real numbers to the coastal southern states. Midwesterners, in contrast, are willing to move to more of the south - although the high numbers for OK, AR, and KY are due to people moving from just across the border from KS, MO, and OH respectively.
Florida: 19% Northeast, 11% Midwest, 3% West (33% total)
Virginia: 17% Northeast, 6% Midwest, 4% West (27% total)
North Carolina: 12% Northeast, 6% Midwest, 3% West (21% total)
South Carolina: 11% Northeast, 6% Midwest, 3% West (20% total)
Midwest-Dominated states:
Oklahoma: 2% Northeast, 10% Midwest, 8% West (20% total)
Kentucky: 4% Northeast, 13% Midwest, 2% West (19% total)
Arkansas: 2% Northeast, 10% Midwest, 6% West (18% total)
Tennessee: 5% Northeast, 9% Midwest, 3% West (17% total)
Texas: 3% Northeast, 6% Midwest, 5% West (14% total)
Alabama: 3% Northeast, 5% Midwest, 2% West (10% total)
Mississippi: 2% Northeast, 5% Midwest, 2% West (9% total)
Louisiana: 2% Northeast, 3% Midwest, 2% West (7% total)
Even:
Georgia: 8% Northeast, 8% Midwest, 3% West (19% total)
Basically, Northeastern transplants only move in real numbers to the coastal southern states. Midwesterners, in contrast, are willing to move to more of the south - although the high numbers for OK, AR, and KY are due to people moving from just across the border from KS, MO, and OH respectively.
The percentage of Westerners for Texas seems low.
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