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At least 10 times. I'll be back there a week from today.
I can't speak for other parts of the state but Northern Virginia is definitely not even half way as southern as Oklahoma, if we're being completely objective here.
Even Richmond, which was the Capital of the Confederacy, I'd be interested in hearing how it's more southern than Oklahoma.
I can't speak for other parts of the state but Northern Virginia is definitely not even half way as southern as Oklahoma, if we're being completely objective here.
Even Richmond, which was the Capital of the Confederacy, I'd be interested in hearing how it's more southern than Oklahoma.
They can't quantify the statement, they never can. It's just hard for people to wrap their minds around the fact that the CSA has no bearings on what Virginia is today. You mention the fact that Richmond didn't even want to secede and it goes ignored. There is really no way, outside of anecdote and mention of the CSA, that someone can confidently state that Oklahoma is less southern than Virginia in 2019.
I see a bunch of people from Virginia who don't want to be associated with the South. Oklahoma is definitely more conservative than Virginia. North Dakota is incredibly conservative as well. That doesn't make it Southern.
Today, it's Oklahoma hands down. Virginia isn't really that Southern anymore, especially in the cities. 50 years ago the answer to this would be different.
I see a bunch of people from Virginia who don't want to be associated with the South. Oklahoma is definitely more conservative than Virginia. North Dakota is incredibly conservative as well. That doesn't make it Southern.
It's not about the south, no one from Virginia is disputing that. It's letting the Confederacy be the basis of your reasoning in 2019 that is flawed.
There is really no way, outside of anecdote and mention of the CSA, that someone can confidently state that Oklahoma is less southern than Virginia in 2019.
What is your criteria as to "southerness" in 2019?
Oklahoma is not now and has never been anything but a watered down southern state. Oklahoma is and has always been less "southern" than any other "southern" state. So to me the larger question is whether you consider Virginia southern at all in 2019. If you don't then fine, Oklahoma is more "southern". If you still consider Virginia "southern" at any level then this is debatable contingent on what the criteria is.
What is your criteria as to "southerness" in 2019?
Oklahoma is not now and has never been anything but a watered down southern state. Oklahoma is and has always been less "southern" than any other "southern" state. So to me the larger question is whether you consider Virginia southern at all in 2019. If you don't then fine, Oklahoma is more "southern". If you still consider Virginia "southern" at any level then this is debatable contingent on what the criteria is.
I would say over the past 20 years, Oklahoma's cultural ties to the Southeastern United States have become stronger and I would say politics is a big reason why. I remember it used to be that OK was considered more of a Southwestern state. Today, I don't think the state has much in common with anything west of the Texas panhandle/New Mexico state line.
I would say over the past 20 years, Oklahoma's cultural ties to the Southeastern United States have become stronger and I would say politics is a big reason why. I remember it used to be that OK was considered more of a Southwestern state. Today, I don't think the state has much in common with anything west of the Texas panhandle/New Mexico state line.
Conservative politics have come to define the majority of rural America. It's not a Southern thing.
Conservative politics have come to define the majority of rural America. It's not a Southern thing.
I think the religious aspect of it is a much bigger deal in the rural South than in the rural North and Midwest though.
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