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Old 07-30-2023, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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New York is probably more "brutal" than many Southern cities during the summer. A 92 degree day here is hotter than a 99 degree day in Dallas.

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The urban character of New York City means some areas are hotter than others — and now, new research shows just how much hotter and for how many people.

More than 6 million New Yorkers — nearly 78% of the city’s population — are exposed to temperatures elevated at least 8 degrees, according to a report released Wednesday by the nonprofit research organization Climate Central. The city as a whole feels about 9.5 degrees hotter for the average New Yorker.

That’s thanks to the human-made surroundings that define the cityscape: tall buildings that limit air circulation, abundant asphalt and pavement and the heat-generating things New Yorkers do fairly close to one another, like running appliances and driving.

Some swaths of the population experience even more intense temperatures as the built environment changes, block by block. Just over 41% of New York City’s population — about 3.8 million people — live in areas that feel at least 10 degrees hotter, and almost 48,000 people live in areas that feel at least 12 degrees hotter.
https://www.thecity.nyc/environment/...ap-temperature
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Old 07-30-2023, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Those are just trails. There's more outdoor activities like cross country country skiing, ice fishing, snowmobiling, ice skating, etc. People down south really aren't that active and mostly live sedentary lives all year.
That one was just a trail. Overall, pedestrian counts in St. Paul are way down in January.

Again, your argument presupposes that all of these activities are mutually exclusive, as if the availability of ice fishing necessarily precipitates a 90% decline in cycling and pedestrian counts. By that logic, the availability of swimming pools, BBQs, outdoor concerts and music festivals during the summer should cannibalize pedestrian counts too.
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Old 07-30-2023, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The cold isn't even that cold once you get used to it though. 25 degrees in Minnesota doesn't feel as cold as what you would think. 25 degrees in the upper midwest is not the same as 25 degrees down south. And there are plenty people who stay inside during extreme heat in the south.
and there are plenty of work and workers who MUST work outside to keep all the infrastructure humming along. Roads, power lines, EMT's, firemen, construction.... etc.,etc. Work doesn't stop when the heat index is over 110*F.

So you get use to it, right? Same with the heat.
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Old 07-30-2023, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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There is one trail in Duluth that sees 748 pedestrians per day in July and only 3 in January.
This is what the trail looks like in January. I guess everyone was ice fishing that day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUzciawGgOE
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Old 07-31-2023, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Upper Midwest
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And this has nothing to do with hacking winter, tough guy. The question was whether you'd prefer a brutal summer or a brutal winter. In New York, we get to experience BOTH, and the experience of a winter in NYC is probably worse than many places that are technically colder than NY since New Yorkers spend more time walking around.


I guess I speak from experience that humankind can certainly survive and thrive in the northern part of the country. Of the time living on the north side of Chicago, 12 of those years were spent without a car, so EVERY DAY included walking to/from train stations (elevated and outdoors), bus stops, or just running errands in the neighborhood on foot – during all 4 seasons of the year. As you are likely aware, sometimes the trains and buses get delayed so you have no choice but to just . . . . . wait it out - in the cold. Chicago is also in a colder climate zone than NYC, so I take your dig of “tough guy” as a complement.
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Old 07-31-2023, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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The cold isn't even that cold once you get used to it though. 25 degrees in Minnesota doesn't feel as cold as what you would think. 25 degrees in the upper midwest is not the same as 25 degrees down south. And there are plenty people who stay inside during extreme heat in the south.
Here's where I draw the line - having to haul around coats, scarves, maybe even hats and gloves, inside restaurants, inside malls, inside grocery shopping (or just wearing them and being hot) for goodness' sake. I said what is brutal for ME by the way, which is going to differ from what is brutal for others. I didn't even say anything about north or south or midwest, though you did.
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Old 07-31-2023, 09:32 AM
 
Location: North Idaho
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As KathrynAragon pointed out, many of you are ignoring the word "brutal" in the OP........
So the real question is: you have only two choices. Would you rather live in the Yukon Territories or in Death Valley California
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Old 07-31-2023, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Florida
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So the real question is: you have only two choices. Would you rather live in the Yukon Territories or in Death Valley California
That's not a comparison of equal geographic extremes. How about Antarctica or Death Valley?

Access to water is available in NWT/Nunavut, but not in Death Valley.
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Old 07-31-2023, 10:51 AM
 
Location: North Idaho
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....Access to water is available in NWT/Nunavut, but not in Death Valley.
There is water available in Death Valley. People live full time in Death Valley and there are ranger stations and visitor centers in Death Valley, all of which have water.
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Old 07-31-2023, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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Those are just trails. There's more outdoor activities like cross country country skiing, ice fishing, snowmobiling, ice skating, etc. And their are parades like hollidazzle and winter carnivals. Most people down south really aren't that active and mostly live sedentary lives all year.

I don't know, I think both fishing and hunting are pretty big among people in the South in rural areas in particular. Maybe you're not comparing like and like when it comes to socioeconomic backgrounds, age, family status etc..
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