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This is a most interesting definition of the region...never seen Oklahoma (although one may make an argument for the southeastern corner of the state, "Little Dixie"), Dallas, or Chattanooga included. It's also rare to see SC exempted; as a native SC'er, I think the state is more like GA than any other, which you included.
And all of Arkansas is most definitely not the Deep South. Fayetteville/Eureka Springs are practically the beginning of the Midwest. The only state falling solidly within the Deep South is Louisiana, and even that may be a stretch.
And all of Arkansas is most definitely not the Deep South. Fayetteville/Eureka Springs are practically the beginning of the Midwest.
True; the only part I really consider Deep South is the Delta region, but I could see an argument for Little Rock.
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The only state falling solidly within the Deep South is Louisiana, and even that may be a stretch.
I generally consider the entirety of MS and LA to be Deep South. Most of SC is, but interestingly enough it wasn't included in the earliest definitions of the region.
I've seen people say Houston is deep south and I disagree with that. But this is the first I ever heard anyone say Dallas is deep South. I definitely do not agree with that one either.
And all of Arkansas is most definitely not the Deep South. Fayetteville/Eureka Springs are practically the beginning of the Midwest. The only state falling solidly within the Deep South is Louisiana, and even that may be a stretch.
Fayetteville and Eureka Springs are NOT the beginning of the Midwest. The southern half of Missouri is part transition, part Southern. The Midwest doesn't officially start until you hit KC, Jefferson City, and St. Louis.
My mother raised us in Virginia, but she herself grew up between Upstate New York and Memphis. My grandmother still lives in Memphis, I lived there in 8th grade, and have been to visit many, many, times. My father was born and raised in Little Rock until going to DC when he was 22-23. One of his nieces (my cousin) followed him up, but besides that, his entire family lives in Arkansas, Texas, and Los Angeles, and I've been to Little Rock many times as well. Additionally, the only Southern states I have never been to are Oklahoma, Louisiana, and Florida. I have been across the rest of the South many times...
I have always, to this day, believed in the Deep South as the parts of the South going westward, rather than southward. It's difficult for me to see any part of the Carolinas as "deep", as the quality of life, the pace of life, the subregional identity noticeably contrasts the cultures of Alabama, Mississippi, etc. The "Deep South", like any other cultural identity, is not restricted by state lines...
I'd say the Deep South, from the west, includes the Dallas and Houston areas of Texas.
-all of Louisiana.
-all of Arkansas.
-eastern half (definitely Tulsa) of Oklahoma.
-all of Mississippi.
-all of Alabama.
-Western Tennessee (west of Nashville area), southeast Tennessee (Chattanooga).
-all of Georgia.
-northern Florida (the Panhandle to Jacksonville).
Tulsa is NOT the Deep South. Most of Oklahoma isn't either. Western Tennessee isn't the Deep South either. it's the Mid South.
Fayetteville and Eureka Springs are NOT the beginning of the Midwest. The southern half of Missouri is part transition, part Southern. The Midwest doesn't officially start until you hit KC, Jefferson City, and St. Louis.
I said practically not exactly. Since these areas lie immediately south of MO, I think that places them in what you could call the transition zone. One thing for sure is that winters up there are far too cold to be the Deep South.
SC is more like other atlantic coast states like NC and VA than MS and LA.
You are presenting a false choice I think.
South Carolina is not an Upper South state. I can't believe you actually think it's more like Virginia than Georgia when it shares a border with Georgia and not with Virginia. South Carolina led the South in secession...that's characteristic of a Deep South state. You're practically the only one on here that believes it's something other than Deep South. I personally think you just dislike the Deep South and don't want any part of it. What's next. South Carolina is more like New York than Georgia?
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