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But there aren't many Germans in Philly at all and haven't been for over a Century. I think you are using Pennsylvania as a whole to substitute for Philadelphia. PA is a huge state-in fact the "keystone state" of many regions so of course it will have influenced other areas but using Philly specifically is incorrect.
By the way, have you ever been to Philly?
I have been to Philly. Have you? I am wondering if you have since a lot of what you say is inaccurate.
German is the second largest European ancestry in the Philly MSA (Irish is the largest) and the third largest in the city (Irish and Italian are second and third). German is actually the most reported European ancestry in Baltimore City and the Baltimore MSA.
German is pretty much the largest European ancestry in all Midwestern cities.
New York
Italian (2,714,871)
Irish (2,105,672)
German (1,425,224)
Philadelphia
Irish (1,200,087)
German (992,236)
Italian (838,419)
Baltimore
German (480,268)
Irish (362,806)
English (227,495)
Chicago
German (1,474,568)
Irish (1,105,822)
Polish (891,494)
Cincinnati
German (632,468)
Irish (305,504)
American (221,595)
St. Louis
German (819,412)
Irish (386,119)
English (225,888)
Cleveland
German (415,799)
Irish (295,050)
Italian (207,733)
Detroit
German (709,468)
Polish (454,313)
Irish (438,123)
Right, I was talking about the city itself. Irish/Italian just seems so dominant in Philly that I don't see how anyone would say Germans are "significant" without mentioning the two biggest groups-unless many Jewish people are reporting German as their ethnicity-or many Irish/German, Polish/German report only German as an ancestry. That is surprising there are more Germans than Polish in Philly. I guess they just "hide their ethnicity" well.
I would also bet many of the "Irish" in those Midwest cities (except probably Chicago) are "Scots-Irish" or very far removed.
I have been to Philly. Have you? I am wondering if you have since a lot of what you say is inaccurate.
Yep-born and raised, 2nd Generation American- my Grandparents all came over from Ireland.
I was raised in a majority AA neighborhood and nearly all the non-Hispanic white communities and people I'm familiar with are Irish/Jewish/Italian or Polish. I know of people that say they are "part German" but the other part almost always includes Irish/Italian/Polish, and many Jews that are also "German".
Yep-born and raised, 2nd Generation American- my Grandparents all came over from Ireland.
I was raised in a majority AA neighborhood and nearly all the non-Hispanic white communities and people I'm familiar with are Irish/Jewish/Italian or Polish. I know of many people that say they are "part German" but the other part almost always includes Irish/Italian/Polish.
Ok well I am the same way but from Chicago. Its the same when it comes to Germans here. They've been here so long they're not even considered a part of the actual framework of the city. They don't identify as German and everyone we know is all about being Polish and Irish.
I think this has to do with the fact that Germans have been here longer.
Ok well I am the same way but from Chicago. Its the same when it comes to Germans here. They've been here so long they're not even considered a part of the actual framework of the city. They don't identify as German and everyone we know is all about being Polish and Irish.
I think this has to do with the fact that Germans have been here longer.
True-I actually have some family that went Ireland to Chicago, but mostly Boston/Philly/Bethlehem although my Nana first lived in NYC when she came here in the early 1950's..
But there aren't many Germans in Philly at all and haven't been for over a Century. I think you are using Pennsylvania as a whole to substitute for Philadelphia. PA is a huge state-in fact the "keystone state" of many regions so of course it will have influenced other areas but using Philly specifically is incorrect.
The difference between Philadelphia and Midwestern cities is that Pennsylvania Germans are largely of colonial stock.
Same ethnic breakdown by First Ancestry.
Baltimore
German (318,398)
Irish (229,149)
English (149,035)
Chicago
German (969,660)
Irish (706,204)
Polish (671,898)
Cincinnati
German (498,280)
Irish (171,407)
English (128,302)
Cleveland
German (270,135)
Irish (182,986)
Italian (165,752)
Detroit
German (462,579)
Polish (336,459)
Irish (261,480)
New York
Italian (2,286,169)
Irish (1,448,066)
German (804,796)
Philadelphia
Irish (827,944)
Italian (660,162)
German (592,320)
St. Louis
German (641,878)
Irish (223,756)
English (146,917)
Philly has the most in common with all Midwest metros rather than just *some*
East Coast Megalopolis cities and their Midwest counterparts
Boston: Minneapolis or Chicago
NYC: Chicago or Detroit
Philly: most cities but especially Columbus, Cincinnati, and Indianapolis. Possibly St. Louis
Baltimore: Cincy metro especially around Northern Kentucky. Louisville for sure if you consider that the Midwest
DC: Chicago due to busy lifestyles and heavy transplant presence from everywhere else. But as far as culture and attitudes go, it is a toughy. Somewhere in the lower Midwest for sure. Living in Louisville people have commented that DC isn't horribly didifferent as far as attitudes and people go.
Ok well I am the same way but from Chicago. Its the same when it comes to Germans here. They've been here so long they're not even considered a part of the actual framework of the city. They don't identify as German and everyone we know is all about being Polish and Irish.
I think this has to do with the fact that Germans have been here longer.
Chicago has more people reporting German as a single ancestry than any other MSA in the United States (and by a healthy margin).
Despite waning to non-existent German-American ethnic consciousness, Midwestern cities are clearly more German-influenced than their coastal counterparts. When I think of Chicago Germans in particular, I think of the city's history of brewing and butchers.
Chicago has more people reporting German as a single ancestry than any other MSA in the United States (and by a healthy margin).
Despite waning to non-existent German-American ethnic consciousness, Midwestern cities are clearly more German-influenced than their coastal counterparts. When I think of Chicago Germans in particular, I think of the city's history of brewing and butchers.
You're not wrong. You just don't see "woke" Germans here. Not like Cincy.
Right, I was talking about the city itself. Irish/Italian just seems so dominant in Philly that I don't see how anyone would say Germans are "significant" without mentioning the two biggest groups-unless many Jewish people are reporting German as their ethnicity-or many Irish/German, Polish/German report only German as an ancestry. That is surprising there are more Germans than Polish in Philly. I guess they just "hide their ethnicity" well.
Most German-Americans in areas which aren't heavily German are well mixed with other groups now, considering it's been 100+ years now since there has been a mass influx of German-speakers
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I would also bet many of the "Irish" in those Midwest cities (except probably Chicago) are "Scots-Irish" or very far removed.
Most people with Scotch-Irish ancestry tend to identify as "American" IIRC. While later Catholic Irish tended to stay in established cities, many did migrate west. Kansas City was in large part first built up by Irish immigrants, IIRC.
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I guess they just "hide their ethnicity" well.
