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Dude, chill out. Toronto is a nice city but it is still not world class. It does not have the diversity (by U.S standards) that most cities have in the the United States. I don't know of any kind of real Hispanic or black community in Toronto either.
Toronto is just simply not impressive to most. It is not a city well known on the world stage, it is not iconic. Canadians should be proud that they have quite a large city such as Toronto in a country with such a small and mostly rural dwelling population though. That is a personal accomplishment.
It's the most diverse city on North America. As others have stated, Canada doesn't measure metros the same way. I'd put the GTA behind NY, LA and Chicago, but it would have a legit chance against any other US city.
It's the most diverse city on North America. As others have stated, Canada doesn't measure metros the same way.
By US standards, Toronto is about 50% Non Hispanic White( Canada calls it 'Non Visible Minority') and that places it around the same as DC and Dallas and San Diego but not as diverse as LA, Miami, Houston or SF which ate 40% or less.
If the Greater Toronto Area were to literally just become an independent city state of the US overnight and kept everything the exact same except for the Canadian flags turning into American flags, it would be considered one of the best cities in the entire world by people on this forum.
You'd all talk about how balanced, safe, thriving, cosmopolitan, sophisticated, interesting, etc, etc, it was.
Instead -- it's Canadian so it's interest is diminished and accomplishments **** on. No matter what Toronto does it always has to be "rounded down" by City-Data members to make sure that it always and no matter what must fall behind Chicago, DC, San Fran, Boston, Miami, Seattle, Dallas, Atlanta, Philly and all 5 NYC boroughs.
It's not that Ameicans have a bias against Canada or anything, but we are a much more powerful, recognizable, influential nation, so Ameiricas 3rd, 4th, 5th cities are still going to be able to compete with Canada's #1 city.
Don't take that the wrong way. Sometimes I wish we were more peaceful and calm like Canada, or that our political system was not a hot mess and more like yours (OK, I'll admit idk anything about Canada politics, but I'm assuming yours can't be worse than ours. I am glad to have a say in US elections though)
I wouldn't take these polls too seriously, but I also don't think Atlanta or Dallas would beat Toronto. Citydata isn't too fond of sprawling suburban cities. I think Toronto could probably beat Seattle, Miami, and Philly too, and maybe even Boston.
However, those other cities you named are the top cities in the US, especially NYC. Do you mean that you think Toronto should beat NYC or are you talking about each borough individually? There was a recent thread on Toronto vs Brooklyn. If you're talking about individual boroughs, maybe you don't understand the scale of NYC? If each borough was its own separate city, they would still be some of the largest more powerful cities in North America, especially Brooklyn and Manhattan. I think Toronto could definitely beat Staten Island (lol sorry to pick on SI), and probably the Bronx too, but not Manhattan or Brooklyn. Queens I'm not sure about. I'm from Queens, it's weird lol.
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Dude, chill out. Toronto is a nice city but it is still not world class. It does not have the diversity (by U.S standards) that most cities have in the the United States. I don't know of any kind of real Hispanic or black community in Toronto either.
Toronto is just simply not impressive to most. It is not a city well known on the world stage, it is not iconic. Canadians should be proud that they have quite a large city such as Toronto in a country with such a small and mostly rural dwelling population though. That is a personal accomplishment.
But San Fran, Boston, Seattle, Miami, Dallas, Houston, etc are "world class?"
And the bolded just proves the cognitive dissonance of so many American posters here. It's one of the most diverse cities in the world. It's just that "dviersity" simply means "less white people" to Americans, I presume?
But San Fran, Boston, Seattle, Miami, Dallas, Houston, etc are "world class?"
And the bolded just proves the cognitive dissonance of so many American posters here. It's one of the most diverse cities in the world. It's just that "dviersity" simply means "less white people" to Americans, I presume?
American standards are crude but accomplish the necessary task of distinguishing 'Hispanics' as a single group regardless of race which for the most part are unified in social and cultural norms not to mention language. It just makes sense to do it that way in this country.
But San Fran, Boston, Seattle, Miami, Dallas, Houston, etc are "world class?"
And the bolded just proves the cognitive dissonance of so many American posters here. It's one of the most diverse cities in the world. It's just that "dviersity" simply means "less white people" to Americans, I presume?
A lot of things go into diversity other than race. Languages, immigrants, religions, ethnicity, just to name a few. Diversity is a funny thing to rank though, especially when different countries have different definitions on how to define certain things. I don't think you should take city data polls too seriously. If you like your city, then who cares what strangers on the Internet think.
By US standards, Toronto is about 50% Non Hispanic White( Canada calls it 'Non Visible Minority') and that places it around the same as DC and Dallas and San Diego but not as diverse as LA, Miami, Houston or SF which ate 40% or less.
Canada excludes all First Nations people (39k in the GTA) as well as anyone who lists white or any european nation on the census from the visible minority category. meaning someone who checks a Ghanaian who emigrates from England is not considered a visible minority. The city is rougly 405 foreign born, and its immigrant population doesn't come from one country or region.
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