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Major cities have international airports. Pre-COVID, there were 30 cities with nonstop flights to Heathrow and another few with Gatwick service. Other than California and Hawaii, if the city can't support London as a city pair, it's not a major city.
I would expect flights specifically to London would be a bit biased towards eastern cities, but airports with service to anywhere besides Canada isn't a bad metric. To my surprise at least (not a business traveler), even Denver has nonstop flights to London via 1 airline. Phoenix has 3.
I wouldn't consider San Bernadino or Riverside to be "suburbs" of LA, even if it is one contiguous urban area. They are cities with their own commuting patterns, which is why the Inland Empire is considered its own MSA.
I agree they are Satellites more than suburbs. I also understand that during the 80s/90s as Greater LA got more expensive they became the cheaper alternative for both residents and employers, which contributed to the growth and commuting patterns now. It was enough growth for the OMB to separate their counties from the parent metro. I will always argue that they are not the cores of a 4 million person MSA and it's misguided to discuss them as independent, let alone separate from LA.
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I wouldn't consider San Bernadino or Riverside to be "suburbs" of LA, even if it is one contiguous urban area. They are cities with their own commuting patterns, which is why the Inland Empire is considered its own MSA.
Not really, the bulk of IE traffic goes to LA&Orange Counties during the day, then back at night. Just watch traffic flow on the 91, 60 and 10. And I work out here, there is literally no break in development between LA/OC and SBD/RIV. Without signs telling you, you wouldn't even know you crossed from Pomona into Chino or from Claremont to Montclair
I agree they are Satellites more than suburbs. I also understand that during the 80s/90s as Greater LA got more expensive they became the cheaper alternative for both residents and employers, which contributed to the growth and commuting patterns now. It was enough growth for the OMB to separate their counties from the parent metro. I will always argue that they are not the cores of a 4 million person MSA and it's misguided to discuss them as independent, let alone separate from LA.
I'm actually surprised that they were made their own metro. The whole Southern California conglomeration reminds me of nothing so much as South Florida, a continuous urban strip from Miami to Fort Lauderdale to West Palm Beach that was merged together into a single metropolitan area, not long ago.
DC, Boston, SF, Seattle, Chicago and Dallas are on an "upper" level.
Denver, MSP, Phoenix, Tampa, and Baltimore are on a "middle" level.
Honolulu, New Orleans, Sacramento, Kansas City, and even Indianapolis are on a "lower" level.
Jacksonville and OKC are examples of ones that are not quite there (but could make it someday).
No love for Houston, Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Diego, and San Jose? These are all in the Top 10 most populous U.S. cities, with all of them having populations of over one million in the city proper.
DC, Boston, SF, Seattle, Chicago and Dallas are on an "upper" level.
Denver, MSP, Phoenix, Tampa, and Baltimore are on a "middle" level.
Honolulu, New Orleans, Sacramento, Kansas City, and even Indianapolis are on a "lower" level.
Jacksonville and OKC are examples of ones that are not quite there (but could make it someday).
I’d put Chicago up there with New York and LA, the size of its core is like the size of all those other cities combined. The economics, population and everything else also put it more on the level of a mega-city.
I'm actually surprised that they were made their own metro. The whole Southern California conglomeration reminds me of nothing so much as South Florida, a continuous urban strip from Miami to Fort Lauderdale to West Palm Beach that was merged together into a single metropolitan area, not long ago.
All of those warehouses and distribution centers they're building up in IE employ a ton of local residents.
All of those warehouses and distribution centers they're building up in IE employ a ton of local residents.
It's one of the flaws of the OMB formulas that establish the criteria for MSAs. There should be exceptions for places like the IE that have had large commuting shifts but are still clearly part of the greater metro area.
I’d put Chicago up there with New York and LA, the size of its core is like the size of all those other cities combined. The economics, population and everything else also put it more on the level of a mega-city.
Agree. If there are any modifications on the top line, it would be that NYC should alone be raised. I agree though on bucketing NYC, LA and Chi.
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