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But I'm asking do you have data or is that opinion, because I don't believe that to be the case. Not 2nd after DC. once you move to Atlanta, its easy to find yourself staying. New York, DC, and San Fran have obvious transient qualities. I don't see it with Atlanta.
I do have data. I believe we already did a thread on this.
Taking a quick look using the Census Flow Mapper tool, you can see the number of people moving to a given county from another state compared to the number of people moving from the same county to a different state.
Richland County (SC): +9,990
Horry County (SC): +5,583
Cobb County (GA): +5,375
Greenville County (SC): +4,526
Charleston County (SC): +3,163
Clayton County (GA): +2,544
Berkeley County (SC): +2,209
DeKalb County (GA): +1,972
Lexington County (SC): +1,072
Douglas County (GA): +918 Spartanburg County (SC): -217
Gwinnett County (GA): -706
Fulton County (GA): -5,988
As you can see, Gwinnett County lost more people to other states than it received. But Gwinnett also had 6,091 people move into the county from overseas. The growth in metro Atlanta is being powered by immigrants more than it is by domestic migrants.
I think he was trying to say Illinois, like Georgia, has one dominating metro, while SC has 3 mid-size metros where none of them dominate the state, but rather all 3 add about the same influence.
IIRC, South Carolina is the only southern state which is actually getting whiter rather than more diverse. I'm sure some of the domestic migrants are nonwhite, but a significantly lower proportion than the state's black population (27%-28%). The state also isn't, as I noted, getting any international migration worth speaking of.
This is also why unlike Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia, there's no evidence the state is edging to the left. Northern retiree transplants are probably a little less conservative than the average white South Carolinian, but not the median voter.
SC is getting more libertarian-ish as it gets larger as opposed to more liberal. That's a result of the coast being appealing to affluent Northern/halfback retirees in particular. It's also worth noting that while SC is redder than its immediate neighbors of NC and GA, it is noticeably less red than the states of TN, AL, MS, LA, etc.
SC is getting more libertarian-ish as it gets larger as opposed to more liberal. That's a result of the coast being appealing to affluent Northern/halfback retirees in particular. It's also worth noting that while SC is redder than its immediate neighbors of NC and GA, it is noticeably less red than the states of TN, AL, MS, LA, etc.
The partner of my wife's best friend is from Beaufort County, and has said his elderly parents ask him if when Ohio will run out of people to send.
You're right that SC is less red than a lot of other southern states. It's one of the only southern states left where the Republicans do not have a veto-proof majority in the state legislature, meaning if/when a Democratic governor is elected they'd actually have some power.
I do have data. I believe we already did a thread on this.
Taking a quick look using the Census Flow Mapper tool, you can see the number of people moving to a given county from another state compared to the number of people moving from the same county to a different state.
Richland County (SC): +9,990
Horry County (SC): +5,583
Cobb County (GA): +5,375
Greenville County (SC): +4,526
Charleston County (SC): +3,163
Clayton County (GA): +2,544
Berkeley County (SC): +2,209
DeKalb County (GA): +1,972
Lexington County (SC): +1,072
Douglas County (GA): +918 Spartanburg County (SC): -217
Gwinnett County (GA): -706
Fulton County (GA): -5,988
As you can see, Gwinnett County lost more people to other states than it received. But Gwinnett also had 6,091 people move into the county from overseas. The growth in metro Atlanta is being powered by immigrants more than it is by domestic migrants.
Thanks for that. Those numbers are pretty interesting, I'll take a look. After doing a quick search myself, yeah I agree Atlanta is transient, but number 2 after DC I still have to disagree with.
Thanks for that. Those numbers are pretty interesting, I'll take a look. After doing a quick search myself, yeah I agree Atlanta is transient, but number 2 after DC I still have to disagree with.
Atlanta is #2 or #3. It is high up there. Let's just look at the number of people that moved to a different state from certain counties.
Of these counties, Fulton has the highest percentage of residents that moved to a different state. In places like New York and Philly, a "move to a different state" is often just a move to the Jersey suburbs, so that makes Fulton's % even more astounding.
You know Illinois is not alone in this regard, so by that logic people should also be fleeing places like Texas. It's JOBS, Big Cat. People that lack college educations can't find JOBS in Illinois. This is only going to accelerate NATIONALLY as automation and outsourcing continues to take hold on low skill work. The difference will be places like IL, NY, and PA will have bottomed out by the time the south feels the economic crunch.
Debt as a percentage of GDP:
New York (22.71%)
South Carolina
Rhode Island
Washington
Florida
Kentucky Illinois (18.45%)
Connecticut
California (17.18%)
Pennsylvania
Massachusetts
West Virginia
Colorado
New Jersey
Nevada
Hawaii
Texas (16.62%)
Kansas (16.50%)
I don't entirely believe that. There are a lot of wealthier, educated people that are fleeing, too. Places like NY and CA are bleeding bad. People are looking to escape the ridiculous COL, and move to better weather as well.
Here are the numbers (and percentage) of people moving from a core county to another county that is outside of the metropolitan area.
Miami Dade - 62,134 (2.4%)
Manhattan - 52,669 (3.3%)
Fulton - 49,292 (5.2%)
Philadelphia - 39,603 (2.6%)
District of Columbia - 31,220 (5.0%)
San Francisco - 28,104 (3.4%)
Suffolk - 26,830 (3.6%)
Fulton County, GA has the most flight to counties outside of the metropolitan area. DC is second and only ties Fulton County if you include the numbers for Baltimore City and County. Philadelphia, not surprisingly, sees the lowest percentage of residents leaving the city (county) for destinations outside of the region.
I don't entirely believe that. There are a lot of wealthier, educated people that are fleeing, too. Places like NY and CA are bleeding bad. People are looking to escape the ridiculous COL, and move to better weather as well.
You don't need to believe it for it to be true. Affluent people leaving are replaced by affluent people. Fewer than 40 percent of out-bound moves in Illinois were households earning 100k+. Nearly 70 percent of all inbound moves were households earning 100k+. Take a stroll through Chicago, Hinsdale, Glen Ellyn, Glenview, Wilmette, or countless other communities. 1950s ranches are meeting the wrecking ball and making way for 3k+ sq. ft. homes.
Upstate New York is where most of the New Yorkers leave. Their reason is most of the time how cold it is.
Virginia puzzles me too. Not sure why Virginia is losing people.
Competetion from states like Delaware and North Carolina
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