How many major cities in the US are right next to even bigger cities and as a consequence they become secondary cities. (metropolitan, business)

[qworldorder]

Originally Posted by KodeBlue

Likely again as DC, which has a slightly higher population, has a lot less room to grow than Baltimore which has far more room to grow, and doesn't have a height restriction.

The difference is now 60K people and rapidly climbing--that's not slightly higher. Baltimore posted a population increase, of just .1%, after 6 decades of population loss--and that's now been reversed. DC has been booming for 15 years now, and just posted a population increase of 13.2%. And you're kidding yourself if you think the Height Act won't be significantly amended or outright repealed in the coming decades, if not sooner. The city is growing too fast to keep shooting itself in the foot--something that cannot be said about Baltimore. Baltimore may not be a secondary city, but, barring major catastrophe, won't ever catch up to DC.

Baltimore population falls, nearing a 100-year low, U.S. Census says - Baltimore Sun

[KodeBlue]

Originally Posted by qworldorder

The difference is now 60K people and rapidly climbing--that's not slightly higher. Baltimore posted a population increase, of just .1%, after 6 decades of population loss--and that's now been reversed. DC has been booming for 15 years now, and just posted a population increase of 13.2%. And you're kidding yourself if you think the Height Act won't be significantly amended or outright repealed in the coming decades, if not sooner. The city is growing too fast to keep shooting itself in the foot--something that cannot be said about Baltimore. Baltimore may not be a secondary city, but, barring major catastrophe, won't ever catch up to DC.

Baltimore population falls, nearing a 100-year low, U.S. Census says - Baltimore Sun

As I said before, Baltimore has much more room to work with than DC Even after they do away with the height restriction. Secondly, you don't know what is causing the population loss, have you done any research? I'm assuming that it is Baltimore getting rid of dead weight as the city has added jobs, and is experiencing the level of construction not seen in the last 40 years. Like I said, Baltimore is gonna catch DC again.

[Grizzly Addams]

Originally Posted by Parhe

Your "but" and use of ellipsis confuses me. It sounds like, to me with my limited reading comprehension, that you are disagreeing with something I said. Forgive me if I am wrong, my apologies. But it seems like your post mostly supports my argument that Fort Worth is underrated/considered a secondary city because of its proximity to Dallas while the same is not true for Baltimore.

Anyway, I don't consider Saint Paul a major city. It's as big as a large suburb albeit a very large one, and is so close to Minneapolis that their borders would look very reasonable if one suddenly looked like the other (in contrast to if either Fort Worth or Dallas just annexed the other). Actual question, as I do not know much about the history, but did Minneapolis and Saint Paul each grow to be large, if not major, metros separately before actually joining together? In other words, an actual, >1 million, separate Saint Paul msa/md.

EDIT: I am incorrect. I knew Minneapolis was on the smaller side as well, in terms of city limits populations, but was not aware of just how close it was to Saint Paul. With that said, I still stand by most my argument. It seems hard to believe that they developed separately into major cities in their own right (the metro as a whole to, without a doubt, a major "city") because of their proximity.

This has always baffled me, and it may just be because I was born and raised in St. Paul, but is it really not common knowledge that StP and Mpls border each other?

[Soonhun]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Addams

Another cool fact about the area. Stillwater and St. Paul were technically the first towns, then Minneapolis, and it was decided that they would split three major institutions.

St. Paul was made Capital.
Stillwater was given the Prison.
Minneapolis was given the U of M.

I don't know, sounds like Stillwater got the short end of the stick with that one.

Originally Posted by Grizzly Addams

This has always baffled me, and it may just be because I was born and raised in St. Paul, but is it really not common knowledge that StP and Mpls border each other?

Sorry, I should have been much clearer. I mean't close in terms of population, with Minneapolis being only about 33% larger.

[Hamtonfordbury]

Providence (1.6M metro) vs Boston (4.7M metro)

[Grizzly Addams]

Originally Posted by Parhe

I don't know, sounds like Stillwater got the short end of the stick with that one.

They definitely did. I guess at the time prison labor was a pretty big thing, nowadays, not so much.

Sorry, I should have been much clearer. I mean't close in terms of population, with Minneapolis being only about 33% larger.

Ah ok. It's just that I have been asked how close St. Paul is to Minneapolis a few times before and it has always took me by surprise.

[rnc2mbfl]

In reading this thread, there appears to be a lot of paired cities that have a dominant city today that wasn't dominant in the past.
An example of the phenomena that I am familiar with is Raleigh & Durham. As late as the 1950s, Durham city was actually slightly larger than Raleigh city and now that has flipped with Raleigh being nearly 200,000 people larger and, with its immediate suburbs, anchors an urban area that more than doubles Durham's. With each passing year, the gap between the two has only grown. While the two cities had more of an equal footing in terms of population in the past, the to cities have grown very differently over the past 6 decades.

[asiandudeyo]

Our city; Philadelphia.
Totally overshadowed by Washington DC and especially NYC.
Lots of people even jokingly call Philadelphia the fifth New York City borough.
Since I am a transplant, I do not really take it seriously.
But I know lots of Philadelphians who got very angry about it.

[woxyroxme]

Originally Posted by asiandudeyo

Lots of people even jokingly call Philadelphia the fifth New York City borough.

Maybe they should call it the sixth.

[the resident09]

Originally Posted by brodie734

Factoring in COL, I doubt DC ever gets back to 800k.

DC will cruise to 800k, heck it will crack 700k before 2020 it looks like. The city has seen projections as high as 1 million by 2040. I personally see 900k as a more realistic goal, but definitely don't see it slowing significantly in the city proper until around 850k at least.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...7b7_story.html

"The region will outperform the nation in job growth in the following two decades, as well, even though it is projected to lose 44,000 federal jobs by 2045.

The loss of federal government jobs will be offset mainly by a huge increase — more than 600,000 jobs — in professional and business services."

"The city is projected to expand from 672,000 residents last year to 987,000 in 2045, when it will be just shy of replacing Prince George’s County as the region’s third-most-populous jurisdiction, according to the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments (COG)."