How many major cities in the US are right next to even bigger cities and as a consequence they become secondary cities. (suburb, rated)

[blktoptrvl]

Originally Posted by kidphilly

Some people would argue Philly gets overshadowed by NYC due to their proximity - their closest city borders are less than 45 miles apart. Though still very much distinct Philly may not perceived as large due to the close proximity and especially overlapped metros/burbs

Are you sure it's not more like 80 miles? Edit: Hmmm, I checked a map, looks like it is actually about 53 miles (Assuming Street Road is the northern most border - I forget). So, you were a lot closer than I.

[Kar54]

With a metro population of over 700,000, Colorado Springs is greatly overshadowed by Denver.

The "South Central Urban Area", defined as Colorado Springs/Pueblo, is closing in on 1M. Colorado Springs will always be considered a second-tier city with the state capital and largest metro in the Mountain West 60 miles up the road.

That's okay by me.

[frimpter928]

Originally Posted by PerseusVeil

Even using the census' widest ranging metrics, Milwaukee and Chicago haven't come together by any definition yet. We're talking about 90-95 miles from downtown to downtown. Some of the furtherest reaches of Chicagoland come into contact with some of the furthest reaches of metro Milwaukee, but that's it.

We'd need decades of growth in Chicagoland before the two metros fully sprawl into each other, and Chicagoland just isn't seeing that right now.

I disagree. I don't think see it being as intertwined like the Bay Area, or something like Miami's metro compared to Ft. Lauderdale, but I do think their metros do feel connected, once you starte getting to the Gurnee area.

[KodeBlue]

Originally Posted by whogoesthere

Baltimore is in the beginning stages of becoming a secondary city but is not so far gone that it has secondary city status in the public perception. It does not fit the criteria as outlined by this thread.

Philly is not close to being any city's secondary city. The seeds of the process are being laid but the process itself has not started.

Baltimore won't be anyone's secondary city, ever.

[brodie734]

Originally Posted by frimpter928

I disagree. I don't think see it being as intertwined like the Bay Area, or something like Miami's metro compared to Ft. Lauderdale, but I do think their metros do feel connected, once you starte getting to the Gurnee area.

I agree, there is commuter overlap in areas. It's a bit like NYC/Philly but on a less extreme scale.

[frimpter928]

Originally Posted by brodie734

I agree, there is commuter overlap in areas. It's a bit like NYC/Philly but on a less extreme scale.

That's the best way to describe it. For example, someone living in Gurnee, which is part of the Chicago metro, could easily commute to the Milwaukee metro for work on a daily basis. Once you get to the area between Gurnee and Racine, both which each part of either the Chicago or Milwaukee metro, it gets blurry as to which metro you are even in, Milwaukee's or Chicago's? That alone tells you that they are pretty blended and connected. When metros blend like that even it it's a the tips that tells you there is overlap.

Compare that to Milwaukee and Madison, which is about the same distance of Milwaukee to Chicago, there you do see a gap of two separate distinct metros that don't blend.

[Sharks With Lasers]

Let's look at the cases of Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Milwaukee by metro areas that are closest to them in size (using MSA only.)

Philadelphia
Population: 6,069,785
Comparable in size to: Washington D.C. (6,097,684), Miami (6,012,331)
Decision: Possibly overshadowed

Baltimore
Population: 2,797,407
Comparable in size to: Denver (2,814,330), St. Louis (2,811,588), Charlotte (2,426,363)
Decision: Probably not overshadowed

Milwaukee
Population: 1,575,747
Comparable in size to: Virginia Beach (1,724,876), Providence (1,613,070), Jacksonville (1,449,481)
Decision: Not overshadowed

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by blktoptrvl

Are you sure it's not more like 80 miles? Edit: Hmmm, I checked a map, looks like it is actually about 53 miles (Assuming Street Road is the northern most border - I forget). So, you were a lot closer than I.

its actually 46 to be exact from the far NE Philadelphia border to the SE border of Staten island


now say City Hall in Philly to the Freedom tower is closer to 80 miles on a straight line

[MassVt]

Without reading, St. Paul's relationship with larger Minneapolis comes to mind.

Boston overshadows Worcester ( about 45 miles away), Chicago overwhelms Milwaukee, and Seattle looks over Tacoma..

[ipaper]

Kansas City, Kansas to Kansas City Missouri. You almost never hear of Kansas City, Kansas.

Kansas City,Kansas population: 148,483
Kansas City,Missouri population: 467,000
Metro: 2,430,000