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That isn't necessarily true that the sunbelt cities are annexing their suburbs. SLC for example is under 200k, but the metro is more like a million and a half I believe. Dallas, Miami and Atlanta are other cities where the city proper is much smaller than the metro.
Right, that's why I said many cities in the sun belt and corn belt. I didn't say all cities there. But it has been a trend, and its why you oddly see cities like Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Columbus, Charlotte, El Paso, San Antonio, etc up there in the same lists with much much larger metropolises. Even a few can skew the whole conversation where top X lists are used, and leave out other cities that should be on there instead.
Right, that's why I said many cities in the sun belt and corn belt. I didn't say all cities there. But it has been a trend, and its why you oddly see cities like Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Columbus, Charlotte, El Paso, San Antonio, etc up there in the same lists with much much larger metropolises. Even a few can skew the whole conversation where top X lists are used, and leave out other cities that should be on there instead.
That is true. On paper these cities are much larger than a place like Cincinnati but in real life it is is pretty comparable.
Not sure about that one, Perseus. I think you might have a point for those within neighborhoods that are either downtown or relatively accessible to it.....Old Town, Gold Coast, Lincoln Park, River North, Bucktown, etc.
I'm not sure that people in places like Rogers Park, Edgewater, Edison Park, Jefferson Park would agree.
I've lived in both Rogers Park and Edgewater, and I went to school with natives from places like Jefferson Park, Belmont Cragin, and Beverly, and consistently I saw the whole "Chicago is the city limits only" thing time and time again. All these people are in their 20s or early 30s though, so maybe it's an age related thing.
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And, to a degree, there is even a feel that some suburban areas actually tick like the city does. I'm thinking more about Evanston than any place else which seems to have reached a point where there is an overlap feel to the place with various North Side lakefront neighborhoods.......Lake View, Lincoln Park, and the like.
I'm just of the belief that Chicago doesn't really end when you cross Howard into Evanston or Austin into Oak Park.
To be honest, it never seemed like the issue had to do with built environment at all. It seems like Chicagoans will gladly proclaim some post-WWII suburban like bungalow neighborhood as being Chicago over something like downtown Evanston. The locals I know seem to take Chicago's legal boundaries very seriously though.
Honestly, to me Chicagoland means little more than Chicago sports fandom. I worked in for the Chicago suburbs and I knew people who live their entire lives and I never been to the city more than twice a year. People could name five neighborhoods in the city. I think there’s a very large disconnect between the city and most of its suburbs.
Same thing in New York. It seems like the majority of Long Islanders are only familiar with Midtown Manhattan. My friends are kinda clueless about NYC proper and need guidance.
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