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I don't consider Pittsburgh Ne even though it is in PA. If Pittsburgh is NE, then Youngstown, Cleveland and Akron are NE, of course this is ridiculous!!!
As a life-long Pittsburgher, I may be the only person in the city who likes Cleveland, but I must say that I just don't see the similarities. Could you mention specifics? Cleveland is so much a Great-Lakes styled city, and Pittsburgh has nothing with the Great Lakes. Someone said it earlier, and I think they are dead right: culture is the red herring for a city's style. Washington's and Boston's culture are quite different, but most would still consider both of those the Northeast. The city structure of Pittsburgh is quite similar to the other Eastern cities, but with a serious Appalachian flare.
Thus, I agree with hilltop, Pittsburgh is an Eastern-Appalachian city just like Cleveland is a Midwestern-Great Lakes city.
Once and for all, the Mason/Dixon line was not created to determine the boundaries of North & South. Do some research!
Yes, DC & Baltimore were once considered southern (and their black communities still have some of these southern traits, but so does every city in the US) but they have changed immensely over the past 30 years. There is nothing southern about DC. DC typlifies all of the characteristics of cities in the northeast:
Great Transit
Walkability
High Density
Huge Downtown Core
What southern cities have these characteristics?
miami - its denser than philly, baltimore and dc and has a huge downtown
and for the huge downtown core baltimores is smalls and philly's downtown is average for their sizes
also if you go to buffalo they don't consider themselves in the northeast or midwest even though they have slightly more cultural ties to the midwest but many have strong links to toronto since it's so close
Although I never lived in Pittsburgh or Cleveland, just from visiting I felt like both cities were different from each other, but I don't mean that in a bad way.
For instance, Pittsburgh is surrounded by steep hills and rivers in all directions and has a hint of Appalachia, especially in the rural areas just outside of the city. Cleveland is pretty much flat and shares a lakefront with Lake Erie. The accents in Cleveland sound similiar to Detroit and other Great Lakes cities. Pittsburgh has a more distinct accent. Although it is a northern accent, I hear a drawl, especially in words like "five" and "nine."
But once again, this is coming from a visitor's point of view. I enjoyed both areas and plan on visiting again this summer. Maybe someone who lived in both cities can offer a better perspective.
miami - its denser than philly, baltimore and dc and has a huge downtown
and for the huge downtown core baltimores is smalls and philly's downtown is average for their sizes
Well, considering that we're talking about structural density, Miami is no where near Philly, B-More and DC because all those cities are filled with rowhouses. Philly also has 100,000 in Center City--it certainly has a large CBD, and DC's is enormous.
Both cities are river cities and both have lots of bridges, but I see what you are saying. I was talking more about culture, not so much appearance. Although, like i said many NE Ohio cities, not necessarily cleveland, do have a new england type appearance.
Both cleveland and pittsburgh are old industrial type cities w/a lot of the same demographics......this applies to youngstown too. Cleveland has more AA's, but both cities have a ton of italians, jews, and other various european immigrants. Both have outstanding hospital systems and universities as well as a emerging biotech alliance.
The way people from both cities look at life is very similar as well. Many in both cities are very negative when it comes to jobs, weather, etc. But in the same breath, people in both cities are very loyal to their sports teams, etc. Both also have outstanding cultural institutions as well. Cleveland had Rockefeller and Pittsburgh had Carnegie.
Oh well, at least the cities are actually working together on something:
Pop City - Pittsburgh teams with Cleveland on biotech corridor (http://www.popcitymedia.com/timnews/5807Biotechcorridor.aspx - broken link)
I do have a question though...........is Erie considered Great lakes or Northeast???? Does it have more in common w/cleveland or pittsburgh??? What about Youngstown???? I think they all belong together.
They say pop in Seattle too...say...are you the one who voted for Seattle?
Ha, no . I know they say pop all over the place, but in the Northeast, it is most definitely soda....here in Chicago, it's pop, of course. I still haven't gotten used to it.
Pop/soda is not a good geographical indicator. In St Louis, definitely a Midwestern city, it is soda. In Rochester, definitely a Northeastern city, it's pop.
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. I know they say pop all over the place, but in the Northeast, it is most definitely soda....here in Chicago, it's pop, of course. I still haven't gotten used to it.
