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By comparison, Georgia grew 65% faster than the U.S. in the 1970s, 90% faster in the 1980s, 100% faster in the 1990s, and 89% faster in the 2000s. Growing 45% faster than the U.S. in the 2010s is a deceleration compared to recent decades.
As with Idaho, it’s easier to grow a smaller base faster. Atlanta has gone from a top 20 metro to a top 10 in the last few decades, and is therefore reaching closer to its full potential. With no other metro to anchor growth (I think 90% of Georgia’s growth came from the Atlanta CSA), there will be natural barriers to growth beyond the National demographic trends.
Regardless, Georgia in 2021 has very little in connection to California 1991 or Illinois ever. I’m not really sure what you are driving at to be honest.
One cannot ignore the increasing depopulation of rural counties across America either. As young people increasingly leave this counties, their older populations are dying off.
Opportunities in the urban and suburban counties are causing prices to escalate in housing along with the demand that's created by migration. Fast growing sunbelt metros aren't just growing with migrants from other states and country; migration within each state is also contributing its fair share.
My point is that Georgia is strangling its golden goose right now. It'll become the Illinois of the South in the next 10-20 years.
Nothing you said in your post would objectively lead to this conclusion. Growth rates will naturally decrease the larger a place gets, growth is slowing nationwide, and you completely omitted any economic data or trajectories that would support your assertion.
At most, you could possibly argue that Georgia's goose is under threat due to national trends and forces but not so much those limited to the state.
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Your skepticism is justified.
In a world of 8 billion people, San Francisco could add millions of new housing units and still be an expensive place to live.
I think the people there decided that the QOL of the city as well as protecting the historic character of their unique city were more important then giving up control to wealthy developers.
How is the QOL for the workers in San Francisco, who have to commute in from Lodi and Stockton everyday?....
Nothing you said in your post would objectively lead to this conclusion. Growth rates will naturally decrease the larger a place gets, growth is slowing nationwide, and you completely omitted any economic data or trajectories that would support your assertion.
At most, you could possibly argue that Georgia's goose is under threat due to national trends and forces but not so much those limited to the state.
Thanks for being the voice of reason here. You are much more diplomatic than I am.
Austin. What is the thing that made Austin attractive was the fact that it was an affordable, quirky, liberal, semi urban city. Now, it’s congested, expensive and has traded his hipster identity for more of a tech bro identity. The city has not done anything to urbanize, so traffic is a nightmare and transit is practically nonexistent.
How is the QOL for the workers in San Francisco, who have to commute in from Lodi and Stockton everyday?....
Sadly, this is the situation in many of America's popular and unique cities. People who do the work to keep the place alive and attractive cannot afford to live there. We might be seeing the consequences of that in the current labor shortage. When you adjust for the cost of commuting and the hassle and stress of hours spent just to get to and from work, many of these people could find other employment and do just as well or better. What would a "living wage" be in San Francisco -- to allow the workers to live close to where they work or in a community of their choice nearby?
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Sadly, this is the situation in many of America's popular and unique cities. People who do the work to keep the place alive and attractive cannot afford to live there. We might be seeing the consequences of that in the current labor shortage. When you adjust for the cost of commuting and the hassle and stress of hours spent just to get to and from work, many of these people could find other employment and do just as well or better. What would a "living wage" be in San Francisco -- to allow the workers to live close to where they work or in a community of their choice nearby?
Based on housing in San Francisco city/county, just an individual would have to earn $80k/year to afford their own studio apartment with no roommates, so if you throw a roommate into the mix, I guess $50k/year would be the minimum living wage
. . .Denton, Texas? It is now a suburb, that is completely out of its control, but I haven't noticed it adopting any tech-bro identity and it is relatively cheap compared to other northern Dallas suburbs (Coppell, Carrollton, Richardson, Plano, Frisco, McKinney, Flower Mound, The Colony, etc.). Denton wasn't ever semi-urban and it was only really liberal near the colleges, where it is still the case.
. . .Denton, Texas? It is now a suburb, that is completely out of its control, but I haven't noticed it adopting any tech-bro identity and it is relatively cheap compared to other northern Dallas suburbs (Coppell, Carrollton, Richardson, Plano, Frisco, McKinney, Flower Mound, The Colony, etc.). Denton wasn't ever semi-urban and it was only really liberal near the colleges, where it is still the case.
Apparently it's a fancy artistic, live music hippie/hipster enclave. I always thought it was a suburb of Dallas
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