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Because lots of people are cold weather and snow wimps.
I get the impression there are people here who would rather move to a crime-infested city with palm trees than live in a safe place with a high QOL where it gets below 0 degrees every winter and snows a lot.
Idk trying to convince the SO and bring our family with us to the South.
The North is beautiful rolling hills, charming villages, fishing villages, old history, late Spring to late Fall is beautiful up North, and have mountains & the Ocean.
However, jobs are scarce unless you are near NYC or Boston. Cost of living is expensive and pay usually doesn't match the high COL. Large gap in regards to economic gap. Housing and rental cost are usually rising. Taxes are high and see little return from tax investments. Government spending is inflated and cuts to funding are usually made to vital services like healthcare or social services. Most of the North is entrenched into one political party and very little diversity of political ideas in the Government (Not sure if bad or good.) Cost of Goods and gas are higher in the North (Though have heard sometimes goods may be less than States not near the Ocean.) Public higher education is significantly higher in the North. States and developers usually focus on certain Cities leaving other Cities stalled and not growing. Cities in the North are struggling to compete with Modern Cities in the South. Urban sprawl very congested areas of commercial and residential in and near Cities. Plus though is lots of open space to enjoy away from Cities in the North. Traffic is usually a pain and construction is ongoing due to maintenance usually from the Winter season. High utility cost and winter maintenance. Health care and health insurance are usually higher up North than down South. Usually have to commute or drive to where you wanna go up North very little walkability unless in a City, but usually you still need a car.
Depends on the person but can usually get more square footage and newer homes down South for significantly less than up North.
Idk trying to convince the SO and bring our family with us to the South.
The North is beautiful rolling hills, charming villages, fishing villages, old history, late Spring to late Fall is beautiful up North, and have mountains & the Ocean.
However, jobs are scarce unless you are near NYC or Boston. Cost of living is expensive and pay usually doesn't match the high COL. Large gap in regards to economic gap. Housing and rental cost are usually rising. Taxes are high and see little return from tax investments. Government spending is inflated and cuts to funding are usually made to vital services like healthcare or social services. Most of the North is entrenched into one political party and very little diversity of political ideas in the Government (Not sure if bad or good.) Cost of Goods and gas are higher in the North (Though have heard sometimes goods may be less than States not near the Ocean.) Public higher education is significantly higher in the North. States and developers usually focus on certain Cities leaving other Cities stalled and not growing. Cities in the North are struggling to compete with Modern Cities in the South. Urban sprawl very congested areas of commercial and residential in and near Cities. Plus though is lots of open space to enjoy away from Cities in the North. Traffic is usually a pain and construction is ongoing due to maintenance usually from the Winter season. High utility cost and winter maintenance. Health care and health insurance are usually higher up North than down South. Usually have to commute or drive to where you wanna go up North very little walkability unless in a City, but usually you still need a car.
Depends on the person but can usually get more square footage and newer homes down South for significantly less than up North.
Jobs will depend on many factors like education/skills/experience and industry, as well as location. Housing will depend on where in the North as well. Same goes the other aspects mentioned.
True...Housing is more expensive where the jobs are...Or you add extra miles and time to your commute for less expensive housing cost...At times that equals out.
If you go farther North 3 things happen...Either property taxes rise, housing cost rise, or pay decreases. Then you got to add in farther North you go more maintenance and utility cost for Winter.
For the high quality of life in the North have to pay for it. A lot of these places if just moving in are usually around $500K or higher with property taxes of $10K to $15K.
True...Housing is more expensive where the jobs are...Or you add extra miles and time to your commute for less expensive housing cost...At times that equals out.
If you go farther North 3 things happen...Either property taxes rise, housing cost rise, or pay decreases. Then you got to add in farther North you go more maintenance and utility cost for Winter.
For the high quality of life in the North have to pay for it. A lot of these places if just moving in are usually around $500K or higher with property taxes of $10K to $15K.
Property tax rates(key word) maybe higher due to the lower home prices and even that can vary quite a bit based upon location or even property tax exemption qualifications.
Average Annual Pay when looking at it on a metro level is actually usually higher even for Interior Northeastern areas than most Southern areas. A list was posted earlier in the thread.
So, this isn’t uniform across the Northeast/Midwest(North).
People say its cheaper in the south than up north but I don't think that's always the case. In fact, I think some of the cheapest areas to live in the country are in the midwest ( Indiana, Michigan, Ohio). Why aren't people flocking to these 3 states if it's so cheap ? Actually, I think people are leaving these 3 states to move to more expensive states in the south.
People aren't leaving Ohio in the aggregate...Ohio's population is actually growing, albeit slowly. And Columbus and central Ohio are growing very quickly...the city's stimated population growth in the latest census estimate placed it among the top fifteen in the country.
And the unemployment rate is very low across much of the state....economic development officials in many areas such as my home metro of Dayton are actually citing the low unemployment rate and the resulting shortage of potential employees for new companies as one of the major barriers to continuing the recent pace of economic development. I can't speak as to the northern part of the state...Cleveland, Akron, Toledo, Youngstown, etc....but the metros in the southern and central parts of the state...Columbus, Cincinnati, and Dayton...are doing quite well right now. Just a few years ago following a number of large auto industry factory closings and the loss of the NCR World Headquarters to Atlanta Dayton was a poster child for the Rust Belt...with the city being featured very prominently in many feature pieces on the decline of the Rust Belt by such national media outlets as the NY Times and CBS News. We still have our issues, to be sure, as all cities do, but the region has rebounded very well.
And...another thing...in Ohio we have an abundance of something that many folks don't often think of that is absolutely essential for civilization and certainly for many forms of growth and economic development....available freshwater in massive quantities...not only from Lake Erie (basically an inland freshwater sea) and our many rivers but southwestern Ohio also sits atop one of the nation's largest aquifers. As many currently fast growing areas around the country begin to face ever more acute freshwater water shortages this may become a major factor driving future economic growth in Ohio...particularly for industries..and there are many...that require large amounts of available freshwater from sources whose dependability is absolutely ironclad. To illustrate that point, just this week a new natural gas fired power plant capable of powering over four hundred thousand homes commenced operations in Middletown, near Cincinnati and Dayton. This plant, which represents a six hundred million dollar investment, requires the purchase of an incredible 2.1 MILLION gallons of water DAILY. It is easy to see where such developments will become progressively more problematic as times goes on in many current growth hotspots in various regions around the nation where the water supply is or will become an issue.
Ohio is a major manufacturing state...we were once first in the nation in such industry related stats as number of manufacturing jobs and miles of railroad track. We have a number of large and midsized cities, a large number of major corporate headquarters. We rank near the top nationally in terms of the number of Fortune 500 companies headquartered in the state, and there are also a large number of companies headquartered here that fall just below that threshold as well as the headquarters of large divisions or other large "white collar" operations of Fortune 500 companies that are headquartered elsewhere (thousands of employees of one of GE's new "global operations centers" that just opened in downtown Cincinnati and over sixteen thousand employees of JP Morgan Chase & Co. in Columbus being but two examples of many). We have a very extensive network of colleges and universities, as well as a very well developed infrastructure in terms of the highways, railroads, airports, utilities, ports, railroads and rail yards and other transport facilities (ocean going going vessels even reach Ohio via the Great Lakes and the St Lawrence Seaway), and other amenities required or desired by industry.
These and other factors have given us the seventh largest population in the country despite being a relatively small state in terms of our land area, a supply of well trained and/or educated potential employees, many cultural amenities.
I wouldn't be surprised if our rate of population sees an increase. I don't know that Ohio will ever see Sun Belt levels of growth again (we had that once). But as I have alluded I think this state has very good bones...I don't see it going into any sort of sustained tailspin or anything of that nature. If we lose ground in terms of our national standing I think it will be simply because other parts of the country grew more rapidly, not because we collapsed or deteriorated.
We had to, and continue to have to make sometimes painful adjustments as the national and global economies have shifted their focus, and especially as manufacturing continues to require fewer and fewer low skilled manufacturing workers. But we have been making those choices and transitioning ourselves into the new economy. And like the rest of the country our inner cities have been benefitting tremendously from the recent renewed focus on urban living and investment.
Virtually all of Ohio cities are in far nicer than they were just fifteen or twenty years ago.
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It's generally about cheaper housing than high paying jobs
I think it is about both. More affordable and good salaries. It isn't mutually exclusive.
I have been paid well by companies in the south.
Last edited by ClemVegas; 05-26-2018 at 12:01 PM..
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