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It's obvious there is no libertarian "hamlet on the planet." I considered this subject years ago. I lived in very social conservative towns run by Bible thumpers. But my own space (inside my house) was my own libertopia, so their world was shut out from mine. While my only drugs of choice are beer, margaritas, and red wine, I may sometime in the future want to add marijuana, if I need it for killing pain from a terminal illness. But that would be my business. No one came to my house to arrest me for consuming my drugs of choice, and medicinal marijuana is legal in CA. And in my own culture, I don't believe in marriage because it requires a government. I'm from the old "Harry Browne" school. I avoid taxes as much as possible too. No one arrested me yet for following the IRS code. And if I want to pay for a woman of the night I can go to Canada for a weekend or one of the 49 other developed nations where it is 100% legal, or I can go to Nevada for a weekend.
It's good to know that the U.S. still is the 6th freest economy in the world. Since I have Roth IRAs, and other tax shelter investments, I think I will stay here awhile.
My libertarian community is portable. It goes with me whereever I go.
Last edited by Howard Roark; 01-10-2010 at 02:59 PM..
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My libertarian community is portable. It goes with me whereever I go.
That's an excellent point. My plan for the near to not-too-distant future is to build a cabin on some family-owned land (415 acres, should be secluded enough) and basically exit society, save for the occasional trip for supplies or to visit less fortunate friends and relatives. For all the people who think places like Texas are libertarian, they had sodomy laws until a couple years ago. People need to stop equating libertarianism with conservatism.
That's an excellent point. My plan for the near to not-too-distant future is to build a cabin on some family-owned land (415 acres, should be secluded enough) and basically exit society, save for the occasional trip for supplies or to visit less fortunate friends and relatives. For all the people who think places like Texas are libertarian, they had sodomy laws until a couple years ago. People need to stop equating libertarianism with conservatism.
Texas probably has the most libertarians of any state. A lot of conservatives in Texas are libertarian despite a few of the laws that are definitely conservative, and that's because, for libertarians, it's usually a lot easier to put up with those few laws than to put up with some political quagmire like California or Massachusetts.
People equate libertarianism with conservatism because there are only two major parties in america that are recognized in every election and taught about in schools and being conservative is a lot more libertarian than being a liberal who wants a government agency to hold everyones hand for one more thing at the expense of everyone without everyone's support.
"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
-Thomas Jefferson
It's obvious there is no libertarian "hamlet on the planet." I considered this subject years ago. I lived in very social conservative towns run by Bible thumpers. But my own space (inside my house) was my own libertopia, so their world was shut out from mine. While my only drugs of choice are beer, margaritas, and red wine, I may sometime in the future want to add marijuana, if I need it for killing pain from a terminal illness. But that would be my business. No one came to my house to arrest me for consuming my drugs of choice, and medicinal marijuana is legal in CA. And in my own culture, I don't believe in marriage because it requires a government. I'm from the old "Harry Browne" school. I avoid taxes as much as possible too. No one arrested me yet for following the IRS code. And if I want to pay for a woman of the night I can go to Canada for a weekend or one of the 49 other developed nations where it is 100% legal, or I can go to Nevada for a weekend.
It's good to know that the U.S. still is the 6th freest economy in the world. Since I have Roth IRAs, and other tax shelter investments, I think I will stay here awhile.
My libertarian community is portable. It goes with me whereever I go.
One of the most well thought posts I've read in quite some time. The point is to steer clear of the Obama robots and do your own thing
There are definitely libertarian elements in cities like Los Angeles & San Francisco [relaxed policies about marijuana, pro gay marriage, "live and let live" attitudes].
That said I don't personally see how libertarianism fits with Christianity. Even if it's not inherent I think libertarianism generally means a libertine outlook. Or at least that the main goals in life are enlightened self-interest and the most freedom possible for the most people. A Christian accepts self-sacrifice and restraining certain passions.
More insultingly libertarians, in my experience, core principles among them include the right to "Guns, Dope, and Hookers." I don't see how that fits Christianity in general.
This unfortunate misconception is what led to the modern-day Neocons pushing for theocracy instead of proper freedoms. They've fallen victim to the mindset of imposing their beliefs on others, while accusing liberals of doing the same thing. While I agree that a libertarian argument can be made against abortion, conservatives don't like to admit that the government doesn't have a legitimate reason to forbid relationships between consenting adults.
I think many Libertarians are Socially Liberal, but fiscally/morally Conservative.
The whole "left vs. right" paradigm only divides us. Also, Libertarians are NOT anarchists.
Most people say I have a typical Libertarian view:
*I support making all drugs LEGAL (though I don't do them personally, I don't the federal govt should be involved).
*I think abortion should be LEGAL (though I am morally opposed to it, we still should have the right to choose), but these medical services should NOT funded by the federal government.
*I think gay people have the right to a legal union ("marriage"), and the government shouldn't get involved at all.
*I think the Income Tax should be abolished in ALL U.S. STATES. It is unnecessary and robs citizens of the fruits of their labor. Do YOU know where your tax money actually goes?
All I have left to say is VOTE FOR RON PAUL IN 2012.
NO GUN LAWS seems like the BEST option for citizens. If all responsible citizens have a right to carry a concealed weapon, we would all have the ability to defend ourselves if/when necessary. More gun laws = more crime. Fewer gun laws = fewer crime.
Which of these 2 houses would you break into, if you were a robber?
http://billstclair.com/blog/s_doors.jpg (broken link)
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