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Old 07-23-2018, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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AVs with equally compact layouts? How does that work?
You lay down a concrete trail the roughly the same width as a train track. And actually where you want a station you simply double the width. The length is to a first order completely unlimited. You simply run them a foot apart and stack as many as you want. And you only stop the ones you need to at a given stop...the chain continues at full speed while the selected AVs move to the station lane and stop.

And when you get to the destination area you simply take them to the roads.
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Old 07-23-2018, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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You miss the point. AVs will out haul light rail comfortably on equally compact layouts. And they easily move their capacity with the need. And with much greater flexibility.
With light rail you don't need flexibility! Put the stops in and the permanent mini-cities grow up around the stops. Here, in Tucson the light rail goes from the U of A to downtown and to Menlo Park and now Menlo Park is evolving into a small city of development. Look at any number of other cities with light rail and see what has developed around the stops.

Las Vegas has no light rail at all. The Monorail is NOT light rail! Light rail indicates usage by its citizens.

And with 9-10,000 lobbying taxi drivers in town (including Lyft/Uber) should it be not surprising that Las Vegas hasn't even broken ground on one light rail line? There should have been a line going from the Airport down the Strip to Fremont Street 20-30 years ago. And if Las Vegas wants to show off being a world class city, they'd go subway instead.
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Old 07-23-2018, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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The autonomous vehicles are coming. Pretty well inevitable at this point.
Inevitable? Dream on, dream on, dream on! I know any number of control freaks that will never, ever, ever surrender the steering wheel to anyone, any-thing!
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Old 07-23-2018, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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My brother goes to college there and he says you still need to drive to the suburbs. Maybe he needs to read up more on possibilities of transportation. I asked him if it's possible to visit Braintree, MA (an example of a Boston suburb) via train and he said no.
Your brother needs to get out more. Braintree is served by the MBTA Red Line, one of Boston's three heavy-rail lines.
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Old 07-23-2018, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Louisiana to Houston to Denver to NOVA
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Inevitable? Dream on, dream on, dream on! I know any number of control freaks that will never, ever, ever surrender the steering wheel to anyone, any-thing!
That's what they said about every technology ever.
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Old 07-23-2018, 11:58 PM
 
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My brother goes to college there and he says you still need to drive to the suburbs. Maybe he needs to read up more on possibilities of transportation. I asked him if it's possible to visit Braintree, MA (an example of a Boston suburb) via train and he said no.
As another reader pointed out, your brother is dead wrong.
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Old 07-24-2018, 03:48 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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With light rail you don't need flexibility! Put the stops in and the permanent mini-cities grow up around the stops. Here, in Tucson the light rail goes from the U of A to downtown and to Menlo Park and now Menlo Park is evolving into a small city of development. Look at any number of other cities with light rail and see what has developed around the stops.

Las Vegas has no light rail at all. The Monorail is NOT light rail! Light rail indicates usage by its citizens.

And with 9-10,000 lobbying taxi drivers in town (including Lyft/Uber) should it be not surprising that Las Vegas hasn't even broken ground on one light rail line? There should have been a line going from the Airport down the Strip to Fremont Street 20-30 years ago. And if Las Vegas wants to show off being a world class city, they'd go subway instead.
Las Vegas definitely is not a world class city. It is a world famous tourist destination, (for whatever reason), but far from a world class city.
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Old 07-24-2018, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Las Vegas definitely is not a world class city. It is a world famous tourist destination, (for whatever reason), but far from a world class city.

Depends on your definition of world class. On the more pragmatic ones LV is easily world class. If you visit the sticks in most of the world and ask which US cities they would like to visit LV will be on virtually every list...perhaps not as high as NYC or LA...but right behind them.

If you get off into doing the quality of life type analysis LV will be found wanting in some. School and Education and Medicine being the big ones. But start onto food, entertainment, music it scores very high. And it has certain unusual things...like it is a very nice place to drive. Has nice roads, freeways and little congestion. And it is hot but dry. Likely this summer it will have more pleasant weather than say Dallas...which is hardly considered a hardship climate.

It is hopelessly unsuited to light rail. Sprawls all over the place and most of the inhabitants like it that way. There are obviously things you could do. The strip for instance could have had the monorail run down the middle and to the airport. And even now we are having trouble using it to service the new football stadium.

At this point though I would start working on infrastructure for the AVs...not light rail. A new corridor to the airport has been proposed and would be ideal to getting AVs into the strip. And extending fast transport to Downtown Las Vegas could lead to growth and development in that area...make the strip 10 miles instead of 6.
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Old 07-25-2018, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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No I never visited Chicago before, but is Chicago transportation as good as NYC transportation?
Never visited NYC, so I can't compare! Sorry.
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Old 07-25-2018, 11:48 AM
 
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Also I think Cleveland moved Heathline fare taking onboard because their "random" fare checks were deamed not random. So I think it got downgraded.
A local Cleveland judge deemed that the presence of RTA police officers checking fares was “intimidating” and somehow figured that, while random, the effect of fare checking resulted in mostly younger African American males being cited.

I’ve been on the HealthLine and RTA trains during “fare checks”. Everyone is asked for a valid fare card; because the violators were mostly African Americans, this procedure was deemed racist and the fare checking policy by RTA Police was ended. Pretty sure you can ride the HealthLine and RTA trains free now, except the tower city station downtown where you must swipe a valid fare card in the turnstile.
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