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Old 06-12-2019, 01:33 PM
 
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You mentioned that Detroit is cold. Yes, during the winter months. It's also hot, warm, comfortable, and cool depending on the month of the year. The forecast is 70 degrees today.

Second, Chicago, MPS, Boston and a whole host of other cities get cold in the winter.

You mentioned its old. Downtown has been rejuvenated and looks nice, clean, and new as any other major city with beautiful buildings. The northwest suburbs of Detroit are gorgeous and have lakes and hills - looks like the British countryside. Anyone who scoffs at this, come take a look at Bloomfield Hills.

The city has the 14th largest metopolitan population - it's population does not need to grow. Its already there! The area doesn't need a single person for it to be one of the largest aress. Furthermore, there is enough locale hiring in the region. Come look at the traffic during rushtime. The city of Detroit merely comprises 15% of the region's population. That is tiny. Metro Detroit is much more than just the city.

You state that big tech firms will not move into the area on the basis that there is no evidence of any big tech firms moving into the area in the last ten years and its location. The city has seen an influx of tech startups and local universities, companies, and banks have cooperated to increase this footprint. Also, Detroit's location is very strategic as it sits right on the front door with Canada.

The city proper may not see a population increase to 2 million like it was in the past, but it's economic prospects are certainly positive. Trust me, the population of 5 million people in the area are confident and working hard to push as far as possible. Detroit's private equity firms are being flooded with investors from Dubai, Abu Dhabi, and Qutar.

It is rising and located in one of the most scenic states in the union. As we say in Detroit: Don't hate......Congratulate!


That's the problem, the City of Detroit in only 15% of the MSA now when it was like 40% or 50% of the region's population 50 years ago. I remember watching CNN a few years back doing a segment on Detroit noting not a single national/regional grocery store remained in the city limits. The MSA total has been stagnant since 1970.


I remember when Dave Bing was mayor and he proposed SHRINKING city boundaries because so much was blighted and basically vacate. That way, he could turn off lights and cut service areas to save money. You can't lose over 1.1 MILLION residents (62%) and think that's a good thing. Look at Venezuela. Losing citizens in the millions the last two years. You think that represents progress? lol


To say the population doesn't need to grow is being misinformed about sustaining things. A big issue in Japan is that its shrinking and hasn't enough replacement workers. You need replacement workers as people retire/die. Look at what states are doing better, those with increasing employment bases.
A true test for Detroit is if it just gave away vacant lots/abandoned buildings with the stipulation one must build a house or open a business within 12 -15 months, kinda of like the Oklahoma Sooner land rush. Do that in Detroit for 3 years. If the city's population doesn't increase by 100,000 adults, hell 75,000, it will tell you all you need to know. I'm betting it doesn't work because I'm sure Detroit offered Amazon big incentives for HQ2 and they didn't come close to selecting it.
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Old 06-12-2019, 01:45 PM
 
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That is very shocking to know, since that means Chicago has way more hispanic-majority suburbs(including at least three or four with populations >50,000) than DFW, and the two metros are suppose to be neck-to-neck as far as Hispanic populations.


Yes https://www.pewhispanic.org/interact...politan-areas/


D/FW is about 70K fewer but younger and they make up a larger % of the MSA in D/FW than in Chicago.
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Old 06-12-2019, 01:46 PM
 
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Detroit is closer to 670k than even 700k nowadays. I’ve never heard anyone black say “I’m moving to Detroit” in my short lifetime.
If they are moving to Detroit, they either have roots there, are going to select parts of the city or to suburbs such as Southfield/Lathrup Village(middle class mostly black suburban area), Farmington/Farmington Hills(substantial black population(about 20%) that is middle class and has good schools), West Bloomfield(a lot of the pro athletes live there, similar to the Farmington area), Oak Park(mostly black working/middle class suburb), Plymouth, Canton, Bloomfield Hills, the Grosse Pointes, etc. So, given how big the area is, there are some other viable options in the metro.
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Old 06-12-2019, 02:19 PM
 
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No Charlotte isn't a mecca like those cities are neither are the Texas cities for that matter, but it's a step under those cities IMO (as is Raleigh/the Triangle). But 1990s Charlotte is DRASTICALLY different than 2010's Charlotte. And I believe you're thinking about Greensboro with the sit-ins.



I don't think you're aware of what's been happening in Charlotte as far as companies moving there. Sure BOA and Wells Fargo are still the big banks in town, but a third is coming with the BB&T/SunTrust merger and the pending HQ move to Charlotte. In the past couple of years, Charlotte has landed the corporate HQs/major operations of several companies like Honeywell (a F100 company), Sealed Air, Met Life, etc. and homegrown companies like Lending Tree and AvidXchange have recently announced major expansions. The Triangle hasn't landed quite as many headquarters lately, but it has an extremely solid and growing economic base in place with the universities/RTP and the hospitals. Advanced Auto Parts is in the process of moving its corporate HQ to Raleigh though.

When you look at where Black people are actually moving, I'm not sure how you can say that TN has more appeal than NC. That's a bit puzzling. Memphis has the history and culture but Black folks want to go where there are good job opportunities, there is a sufficient Black cultural infrastructure, and the cost of living is reasonable. Memphis lacks a robust economy and has way too much civic/social dysfunction to be appealing to any group at the moment. Nashville's economy is booming for sure but it has trouble attracting Black folks as its brand doesn't particularly appeal to Blacks. Look at any "Best places for Blacks" list and I guarantee you Charlotte and Raleigh/Durham rank well ahead of TN cities and right along with, or even slightly above, Houston and Dallas.



Actually NC's HBCUs are fairly well-known along the East Coast (Southeast/mid-Atlantic), especially with Charlotte being the headquarters of the CIAA and having been the host for its burgeoning basketball tournament for the past several years.

At the end of the day, NC isn't lacking in any way whatsoever when it comes to all things Black compared to TX. I'll just chalk it up to you not knowing as much about NC.
I have some familiarity with the Queen City as I almost moved there back in the 1990s but picked ATL. Also my sister's family lived there for 3 years. They enjoyed the region but a chance to move closer to home arose. I also had a sibling attend an HBCU in the Triangle.




Some good points on NC vs. Tenn. Memphis' star is dimming. I'll take back what I said about state vs. state. Raleigh, will continue to be solid due to its college core of Duke, UNC, NC State, A&T and being the seat of State governance and the Research Triangle. However, metro Nashville had as many Fortune 500 HQs as the Charlotte area in 2018. Getting BBT is a big get for the Queen City but Amazon putting 5,000 jobs in Nashville makes it a wash.


But I stand by my statement that Charlotte is skewed heavily toward banking, maybe more dependent than Houston is on Energy. Met Life and BBT too are financial services. that's a two-edged sword given the industry concentration. NC can compete with the other southeastern states as a draw for everyone really but especially those to the northeast and Charlotte benefits from being a hub for American Airlines.


I didn't know the CIAA was based there which I'm sure is a plus that D/FW doesn't have. But really, what symbols/events regarding AA culture besides more HBCUs are there in Charlotte or Raleigh? What events/remembrances/ social gatherings recur there? Dallas on more than one occasion has hosted the SWAC's basketball tourney and just this past Spring hosted Conference USA's hoops tourney at the Dallas Cowboys complex. TD Jakes church is here and his summer confab is always big amongst the AA community. A museum of AA cultural exists on the state Fair grounds in Dallas. The Browner Bros for decades hosted a convention in Dallas on Black hair care. I'm curious beyond just having a higher % of AAs in its population.
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Old 06-12-2019, 02:21 PM
 
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The median family income for Atlanta and D/FW is comparable, so one must ask if there is greater influence in the former, why isn't that reflected in earnings?
You don't look at the median income to make that determination. Check out the stats when it comes to higher income brackets.
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Old 06-12-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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Black Enterprise Magazine's list of largest 100 companies.


https://www.blackenterprise.com/2018-be-100s/


For all of the talk about Georgia and ATL's prominence, its not evident on this list.
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Old 06-12-2019, 02:48 PM
 
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Well your right about one thing, Detroit isn't coming back... Detroit ALREADY has the 2nd largest economy, 2nd largest population, and the 3rd most amount of fortune 500 companies in the mid west. And also a large number of wealthy people in the metro area and state. So your right, it isn't "coming back", it's just moving forward past it's recent hardships and rapidly finding ways to improve.


Since the economic crash and the bankruptcy, Detroit has improved in nearly every category in just a few short years. There has been plenty of businesses moving downtown and development overall is exploding, tons of investments being made, the real estate market is HOT, and the jobs are becoming more and more diversified, the population of the metro area is also growing while the job market has boomed, which nobody expected to happen in just a few short years. Btw, most people I know that make good money here in Detroit don't even work for the auto industry. Including myself.
Let me sober you up:


1. Detroit GDP and Minneapolis/St. Paul GDP are basically the same now($260.12 billion
2 On on a per capita basis, since MSP is smaller, the Capital Region of Minnesota outperforms.


https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NGMP33460


https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NGMP19820


3. Diversification how? What industries of size have moved there. I can point to my hometown of Houston as an example. 30 years ago, about 8 of 10 jobs were tied to the Oil and Gas industry. Then the oil bust of the 1980s hit. They had to adjust. Now area is just under 50% energy industry due to growth from United/Continental, the emergence of Compaq Computers (now part of HP), the growth at the Texas Medical Center, the largest such complex in the world (over 110,000 work there) and the port of Houston, one of the three busiest in the U.S. What has Detroit done to diversity away from the car industry? I work in financial services and watch a lot of business news and never hear much about new jobs in other industries there other than new casinos. Educate me.


4. No...the population is STAGNANT and has been for FORTY YEARS for the MSA. It peaked around 1970.
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Old 06-12-2019, 02:55 PM
 
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Some good points on NC vs. Tenn. Memphis' star is dimming. I'll take back what I said about state vs. state. Raleigh, will continue to be solid due to its college core of Duke, UNC, NC State, A&T and being the seat of State governance and the Research Triangle. However, metro Nashville had as many Fortune 500 HQs as the Charlotte area in 2018. Getting BBT is a big get for the Queen City but Amazon putting 5,000 jobs in Nashville makes it a wash.
Charlotte also recently landed Honeywell which is Fortune 100 company and it has an overall bigger GDP than Nashville, so clearly Charlotte has the upper hand there. And A&T is in Greensboro; as it pertains to HBCUs, Raleigh has Shaw (the oldest HBCU in the Southeast) and St. Augustine while Durham has NC Central.

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I didn't know the CIAA was based there which I'm sure is a plus that D/FW doesn't have. But really, what symbols/events regarding AA culture besides more HBCUs are there in Charlotte or Raleigh? What events/remembrances/ social gatherings recur there? Dallas on more than one occasion has hosted the SWAC's basketball tourney and just this past Spring hosted Conference USA's hoops tourney at the Dallas Cowboys complex. TD Jakes church is here and his summer confab is always big amongst the AA community. A museum of AA cultural exists on the state Fair grounds in Dallas. The Browner Bros for decades hosted a convention in Dallas on Black hair care. I'm curious beyond just having a higher % of AAs in its population.
MEAC was also founded in NC and headquartered there until 2010 when the headquarters were moved to VA.

I mentioned the CIAA tournament which has been held in Charlotte for several years and the MEAC tournament in recent years has alternated between NC and VA (it was last in NC from 2006-2012 in Raleigh and Winston-Salem). Winston-Salem is home to the annual National Black Theatre Festival. NC A&T has one of the most notable HBCU homecomings every year. Charlotte has its annual For Sisters Only showcase. Durham has an annual Black Business Expo and Black Wall Street Homecoming. Raleigh hosts the African American Cultural Celebration every year. Charlotte has the Harvey B. Gantt Center for African-American Arts + Culture in Uptown. Greensboro is home to the International Civil Rights Center & Museum. This is just a sampling of stuff really.
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Old 06-12-2019, 03:02 PM
 
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Georgia is commonly considered to be more likely to flip quickly because the black population is rising, and black people already vote in high numbers. In contrast in Texas, besides general Latino demographic growth, you'd also have to see an "awakening" among the Latino electorate (e.g., if Texas Latinos already turned out like California Latinos, it would already be a swing state).


You can't just say because the AA population is rising as that implies it is not in Texas when for the latter state, growth is also evident. In fact, it may outpace that of Georgia as Texas, in terms of total number of AAs, was once fourth highest (2010) and is not first in the nation. I agree that there is more antipathy amongst Latin voters in Texas towards voting. I think the 2020 POTUS contest will be telling. Beto O'Rourke came close to beating Cruz for Texas U.S. Senate and Hillary did better in 2016 than Obama in Texas in certain counties. The border issues will be a compelling factor and not so easily red or blue if you live in Texas because the state is BY FAR the biggest trading partner with Mexico.
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Old 06-12-2019, 03:21 PM
 
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What's your point? You make it seem like you believe that an area having a lot of black people is a huge negative. If you are one of these boot-licking black people that think they are better because they have less ties with black people then I really feel sorry for you. The decline of Detroit is due to a number of reasons. That has nothing to do with what was stated about Georgia possibly turning before Texas. That was stated simply because the thought process is black people tend to vote more liberal thus the higher black population might lead to Georgia turning before Texas. This idea comes from politic experts who study voting trends and demographics. It will be close and can go either way though so I'm not sure even sure why you're making a big deal about this except that you're completely obsessed with anything Texas and feel like it has to be first and best at everything.

Juneteenth is nice, but Texas simply doesn't have the black history significance of other areas in the country and that's fine is still has had many significant historical events for black people in history. But to pretend is does is completely generous be we all know you exaggerate everything when it comes to Texas on this board.
I'm not the one who started the thread about "Capital" which by default implies a lot of AAs in the area. Second, D/FW and Houston have a lot of AAs and diversity is a strength. The decline of Detroit I see as three things. Concentration in one industry, cars, and the failure to adequately compete with imports. Second, riots of 1967 scarred the city. Third, Civil rights legislation enabled a return to southern roots, more political clout and more job opportunities where none before existed.


Juneteeth is beyond "nice". Otherwise, why has it blossomed beyond its founding state? Significant historical events? How about:


Ali refusing draft induction in Houston.


LBJ, a native Texan, was instrumental in moving Civil Rights into codified law. Nothing significant there.


James Farmer, a native Texan - founded CORE! https://www.biography.com/activist/james- Congress for Racial Equality, which would become one of the most prominent organizations of the Civil Rights era. A devotee of Gandhi's nonviolent strategies, Farmer also organized the historic Freedom Rides, which lead to interstate travel desegregation.


Barbara Jordan.


A. Maceo Smith fought against Texas' white primary system, which disenfranchised nonwhite voters.[SIZE=2][1][/SIZE] That campaign led to the landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision in Smith v. Allwright, (1944), that did away with white primaries nationwide.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE]Smith also fought against school segregation in a legal campaign that led to Sweatt v. Painter, (1950), a case that paved the way for Brown v. Board of Education.


Jack Johnson, Heavyweight Boxing Champion, a native of Texas.


Jackie Robinson's first effort of Civil Disobedience was in Texas at Fort Hood. This led to further desegregation in the armed forces in the south.


Plenty of entertainers too.
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