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I remember doing campus recruiting at what used to be Brooklyn Polytech when I had my first job out of college in Danbury CT which is right on the NY line. I had someone ask me if they could take the subway to Danbury. Err... No. I also saw a number of resumes that had "Drivers License" on them. As a suburban kid where your right of passage is to get your license at age 16 1/2, that seemed a bit strange until I thought about NYC and car ownership.
I think there are an awful lot of NYC natives who don't own cars and who pretty much never travel beyond subway range. If they do travel, it's commercial jet or Amtrak to another state or another country. White Plains is "upstate". Somewhere like Ithaca might as well be on the moon.
I felt no connection with the rest of the state...or NJ, Westchester or Long Island.
Legally speaking, NYC is subject to New York state laws, tax, etc. Do New Yorkers care about the govonor election and state politics in general? Do New Yorkers pay in-state tuition when attending public universities in nearby states like NJ?
I remember doing campus recruiting at what used to be Brooklyn Polytech when I had my first job out of college in Danbury CT which is right on the NY line. I had someone ask me if they could take the subway to Danbury. Err... No. I also saw a number of resumes that had "Drivers License" on them. As a suburban kid where your right of passage is to get your license at age 16 1/2, that seemed a bit strange until I thought about NYC and car ownership.
I think there are an awful lot of NYC natives who don't own cars and who pretty much never travel beyond subway range. If they do travel, it's commercial jet or Amtrak to another state or another country. White Plains is "upstate". Somewhere like Ithaca might as well be on the moon.
I think people in other parts of the country understand how much of a self-contained universe New York City is. It’s not so much the New Yorkers. They simply don’t see the connection. As a kid, the far-flung, car dependent areas of Brooklyn, Queens in the Bronx were our “suburbs“. Anything beyond that was out of town.
Legally speaking, NYC is subject to New York state laws, tax, etc. Do New Yorkers care about the govonor election and state politics in general? Do New Yorkers pay in-state tuition when attending public universities in nearby states like NJ?
No. If you don't live in NJ, you pay out of state rates.
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NYC is in such a far flung corner, almost entirely removed from the bulk of the state. The city is even in an entirely different climate zone. A lot of people do not realize how far south NYC actually sits when compared to the rest of NY. NYC is very much why NY is considered a Mid Atlantic state.
I would be shocked if most NYC residents felt anymore connected to upstate regions than we do with them. Up here it seems as though people from NYC flood in constantly, especially in the summer. However, there are so many people down there that it is likely a tiny fraction.
It is also worth noting that there exists a mountain range between most of upstate and NYC. Even physically the state is partially disconnected.
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I remember doing campus recruiting at what used to be Brooklyn Polytech when I had my first job out of college in Danbury CT which is right on the NY line. I had someone ask me if they could take the subway to Danbury. Err... No. I also saw a number of resumes that had "Drivers License" on them. As a suburban kid where your right of passage is to get your license at age 16 1/2, that seemed a bit strange until I thought about NYC and car ownership.
I think there are an awful lot of NYC natives who don't own cars and who pretty much never travel beyond subway range. If they do travel, it's commercial jet or Amtrak to another state or another country. White Plains is "upstate". Somewhere like Ithaca might as well be on the moon.
Yet up here we'd never consider White Plains upstate, and we all think Ithaca belongs down there too. haha
On the flip side, given some of the areas with the highest Italian American percentages are Upstate, they may feel at home in say Oneida or Schenectady Counties. That’s if they are aware of this.
Years ago, I traveled to Utica, and I vividly recall my Italian-American cousins from Rockland County telling me that Utica/Oneida County is "redneck," so I presume very few folks who live "Downstate," especially those in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island, would feel "at home" in Utica or elsewhere in Oneida County, regardless of their ancestry or ethnicity.
Despite further proximity, Oneida County bears a stronger resemblance to New England than Rockland County, especially in the villages of Clinton and New Hartford. If I am not mistaken, the extent of colonial Dutch settlement in the Mohawk Valley region was Utica. Beyond there, most towns and villages were historically settled by New Englanders of colonial British stock.
Years ago, I traveled to Utica, and I vividly recall my Italian-American cousins from Rockland County telling me that Utica/Oneida County is "redneck," so I presume very few folks who live "Downstate," especially those in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island, would feel "at home" in Utica or elsewhere in Oneida County, regardless of their ancestry or ethnicity.
Despite further proximity, Oneida County bears a stronger resemblance to New England than Rockland County, especially in the villages of Clinton and New Hartford. If I am not mistaken, the extent of colonial Dutch settlement in the Mohawk Valley region was Utica. Beyond there, most towns and villages were historically settled by New Englanders of colonial British stock.
Pretty much, but as you mentioned, some of the villages in the area have a New England feel to them.
Italians in the area were/somewhat still are concentrated in East Utica and along East Dominick Street in Rome. Frankfort next to East Utica has one of the highest Italian percentages of a municipality in the country as well and quite a few are in Herkimer, among other places, too. So, it depends on where in the area you are or go to.
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