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To call STL strickly southern is rather silly, it borders on Ill. and is higher up on the map than the lowest point of Ill. I've never heard anyone call St. Louis a southern city but I've heard certain parts of Missouri called southern with good reason.
I never said St. Louis or Missouri is strictly southern. I just said Missouri is very Southern. Nobody can argue with that.
Jeez.
This is the original quote that people are giving me heat for:
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Originally Posted by Avengerfire
Ohio is sort of a tossup for me. The Southern and Northeastern portions of Ohio are very non-mid-western. The Plains states are not very mid-western at all.
Omaha is at the very edge of the Midwest core area. The Midwest core= Most of Iowa, southern MN, central and northern IL, central and northern IN, eastern NE, and northern MO.
I wouldn't consider places like North Platte, NE, Garden City, KS, Rapid City, SD, or Williston, ND as part of the Midwest. These places just have way to many differences to even associate with the Midwest core itself. These places are all western, have very low precipitation, have a semi-arid climate, have few trees, and little Midwest agriculture without the aid of irrigation.
I kind of agree, but for me it's hard to reconcile Cleveland but not Pittsburgh when they are less than 2 hours apart.
You have to draw the line somewhere. And while Pittsburgh and Cleveland are culturally similar, Pittsburgh looks and feels much more like an East Coast city than a Midwest city.
You have to draw the line somewhere. And while Pittsburgh and Cleveland are culturally similar, Pittsburgh looks and feels much more like an East Coast city than a Midwest city.
But it also feels like a hilly version of Cleveland in some areas... Cleveland definitely has SOME eastern feel as well. But like you said, you have to draw the line somewhere.
But it also feels like a hilly version of Cleveland in some areas... Cleveland definitely has SOME eastern feel as well. But like you said, you have to draw the line somewhere.
In attitude yeah, but Cleveland looks pretty different than Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is older, has more brick, more row houses, and just kind of has a look that is typical of Pennsylvania towns in general (along with some parts of Maryland and West Virginia). The closest major city to Pittsburgh in terms of looks is Cincinnati, but even that is a bit off.
Cleveland gets its eastern influence from the fact that it's closer to the eastern sea board than it is to much of the midwest, but also because parts of Ohio used to be Connecticut territory and were partially laid out as such. Cleveland could actually pass for Hartford or New Haven before it could Pittsburgh.
I'm not saying that the two cities feel the same, but there is more overlap between Cleveland and Pittsburgh than there is between, say, Milwaukee and Pittsburgh.
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