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The far southern tier of Missouri counties and a good part of the bootheel region could be considered Southern without the positive aspects of that designation. There seems to be something missing. Some of it resembles the southern Appalachians and other parts are more Mississippi delta.
Missouri is a state with a river culture along the Mississippi and Missouri rivers. It seems southern but it is associated with the river history and culture. It fades pretty quickly into a midwestern culture when you move away from the rivers. I suspect that Keokuk might have something like that going on when compared to the rest of Iowa.
The far southern tier of Missouri counties and a good part of the bootheel region could be considered Southern without the positive aspects of that designation. There seems to be something missing. Some of it resembles the southern Appalachians and other parts are more Mississippi delta.
Missouri is a state with a river culture along the Mississippi and Missouri rivers. It seems southern but it is associated with the river history and culture. It fades pretty quickly into a midwestern culture when you move away from the rivers. I suspect that Keokuk might have something like that going on when compared to the rest of Iowa.
And like most southern states,it went easily to President Trump.
This map makes it look like most of the populated parts of Oklahoma would be speaking with an accent similar to the midwest, unless I'm reading this wrong?
This map makes it look like most of the populated parts of Oklahoma would be speaking with an accent similar to the midwest, unless I'm reading this wrong?
That's exactly what it's saying, and it's also true in my experience. Tulsa and OKC don't have a significant Southern accent the way rural eastern/southern Oklahoma does.
Part of the reason Oklahoma was the most popular response in the "Which Southern state is the most Midwestern?" thread.
Missouri is very southern to me. I'm sometimes surprised it has anything to do with the Midwest. From the way they handled their projects in St Louis to the way they talk, it makes me think I'm in the south. Historically, they have more ties to the North, but having grown up in the Chicagoland area, it was the closest most different place within what I considered an acceptable driving distance.
They really need to do something about St Louis. That metro area just gives me a very depressing vibe both historically and modern times.
Missouri is very southern to me. I'm sometimes surprised it has anything to do with the Midwest. From the way they handled their projects in St Louis to the way they talk, it makes me think I'm in the south. Historically, they have more ties to the North, but having grown up in the Chicagoland area, it was the closest most different place within what I considered an acceptable driving distance.
They really need to do something about St Louis. That metro area just gives me a very depressing vibe both historically and modern times.
I couldn't really disagree more. St. Louis is a very underrated city, IMO. Beautiful architecture, a lot of pride, and some amenities you just wouldn't expect at that level. Forest Park is on par with Central Park.
And like most southern states,it went easily to President Trump.
Missouri is a special case in this regard -- not entirely traced to "southern" qualities. It was once considered a "bellwether" state -- one that was somewhat independent and reflective of the general feelings and opinions of the entire nation. That was replaced by a follow-the-leader period where it was manipulated and molded by public opinion and political/social/religious hyperbole. Lately, it has been sliding into the quagmire of extreme right-wing goofy-ism that developed during and after the Ash croft administration. It has now retreated into two opposing camps - urban and rural (and all that that implies) - with extremist on both sides. In some ways, it seems no longer capable of self-government. One could say that, in the final analysis, it has returned as a bellwether state.
Missouri is a special case in this regard -- not entirely traced to "southern" qualities. It was once considered a "bellwether" state -- one that was somewhat independent and reflective of the general feelings and opinions of the entire nation. That was replaced by a follow-the-leader period where it was manipulated and molded by public opinion and political/social/religious hyperbole. Lately, it has been sliding into the quagmire of extreme right-wing goofy-ism that developed during and after the Ash croft administration. It has now retreated into two opposing camps - urban and rural (and all that that implies) - with extremist on both sides. In some ways, it seems no longer capable of self-government. One could say that, in the final analysis, it has returned as a bellwether state.
Willard Duncan Vandiver once said this of Missouri.
- "I come from a state that raises corn and cotton, cockleburs and Democrats, and frothy eloquence neither convinces nor satisfies me. I'm from Missouri, and you have got to show me."
I also think the 1985 World Series further confirms this.
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