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Just look at College towns Amherst has a poverty rate is 35%.. Durham, NH has 25% poverty rate. Now I am not actually sure what the full time population poverty rates are but College kids do count.
Yea but a better indicator of income amongst the local population is child poverty. That gives you a sens e of what families in these cities actually make.
This data (and virtually all other data) would suggest Bostonians make less money than DC folks. College students or not (again, DC has tons of college students, so i don't really get that point-but okay)
Yea but a better indicator of income amongst the local population is child poverty. That gives you a sens e of what families in these cities actually make.
This data (and virtually all other data) would suggest Bostonians make less money than DC folks. College students or not (again, DC has tons of college students, so i don't really get that point-but okay)
Anecdotally-in moving to the DMV i've noticed MA and CT have much higher extremes of wealth and Povery. Boston poverty rate is 20.5% and Baltimore is 22.4%. And thats as bad as it get in Maryland. Whereas Massachusetts has many cities all over the state that are poorer than Boston.
Baltimore dirty and unsafe in part because it doesnt have the ultra wealthy and venture capital coming in to clean it up. Boston subsidizes the poor heavily and most surroundings town have nothing at all for them. The poor population stays locked into Boston no matter what because there is very little opportunity to move out of poverty due to the high costs of everything in the free market up there.
Town governments make it hard to effectively push and spread a poor population evenly throughout an area. There are no Lawrences, Hartfords, Central Falls, Bridgeports, and Springfields in the DMV. To that same token there are very very few ultra wealthy Westons, Greenwiches, Wellesleys, Dariens or even Seaports and Cambridges.
DC has the wealth and venture capital does but to a lesser extent because there is an artificial ceiling of salaries at one level. Due to all the governmental and Military jobs.
Probably some hipster place like Portland and Seattle, or as some have mentioned Washington DC.
In contrast Baton Rouge has a large number of people without college degrees who have a lot of money because of the well paying jobs in the petrochemical industry.
Anecdotally-in moving to the DMV i've noticed MA and CT have much higher extremes of wealth and Povery. Boston poverty rate is 20.5% and Baltimore is 22.4%. And thats as bad as it get in Maryland. Whereas Massachusetts has many cities all over the state that are poorer than Boston.
Baltimore dirty and unsafe in part because it doesnt have the ultra wealthy and venture capital coming in to clean it up. Boston subsidizes the poor heavily and most surroundings town have nothing at all for them. The poor population stays locked into Boston no matter what because there is very little opportunity to move out of poverty due to the high costs of everything in the free market up there.
Town governments make it hard to effectively push and spread a poor population evenly throughout an area. There are no Lawrences, Hartfords, Central Falls, Bridgeports, and Springfields in the DMV. To that same token there are very very few ultra wealthy Westons, Greenwiches, Wellesleys, Dariens or even Seaports and Cambridges.
DC has the wealth and venture capital does but to a lesser extent because there is an artificial ceiling of salaries at one level. Due to all the governmental and Military jobs.
In MD, you have cities and towns outside of the DC and Baltimore areas with poverty rates that rival those New England cities. Hagerstown, Cumberland and Cambridge are a few. So, besides (parts of) Baltimore, cities in western MD and the Eastern Shore have higher rates.
I have a sister that lives in Charles County and there are rural/small town areas that have high poverty(Nanjemoy is one place she mentioned). Even the inner portions of PG County can have communities that are more working class as well.
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It could also be "Which cities have the highest concentration of employers who pay their college grads regrettably poorly?"
It's interesting the way the 1% have successfully pitted the middle-class and working-class against one another while they continue to laugh all the way to the bank.
This is so silly. It's called making choices. When you go into debt to get a degree that's not marketable and play victim to the very ones who put their capital at risk to provide jobs that the market demands, it's YOUR fault. If you don't want to make those wages, don't go into those degree programs. Don't create your storm, them whine when it rains. I know this is a big political talking point these days. But you can't change the laws of economics. No matter what your definition of "fair" is, market forces and the supplier of capital and its inherent risks determine that. Bernie Sanders' own action contradicted his own words. His workers complained to him that he wasn't paying them the $15/hr he pushes so hard on the campaign trail. So he gave them the raise to $15........but cut their hours, lol. Yet so many fall for this crap. It's like some of you have no idea how the very basics of economics work, yet you call yourselves "educated". IMO, having a piece of paper from an academic institution isn't going to prepare you for the real World (and I have a college degree). Wisdom is much, MUCH more important.
In MD, you have cities and towns outside of the DC and Baltimore areas with poverty rates that rival those New England cities. Hagerstown, Cumberland and Cambridge are a few. So, besides (parts of) Baltimore, cities in western MD and the Eastern Shore have higher rates.
I have a sister that lives in Charles County and there are rural/small town areas that have high poverty(Nanjemoy is one place she mentioned). Even the inner portions of PG County can have communities that are more working class as well.
It’s Still the same because the New England cities are MUCH larger 70-150k people many times more dense 5-12k ppsqm, and still have poverty rates around 25% in a higher COL area. The New England cities are 20-44% foreign born and as few as 11-12% of the adult population might have a bachelors degree. Some of the inner PH Counties come close to the economic indicators but generally they just have higher violent crime but are much more connected to the economic engine that is DC and have higher median household incomes and higher rate of homeownership as well.
It’s Still the same because the New England cities are MUCH larger 70-150k people many times more dense 5-12k ppsqm, and still have poverty rates around 25% in a higher COL area. The New England cities are 20-44% foreign born and as few as 11-12% of the adult population might have a bachelors degree. Some of the inner PH Counties come close to the economic indicators but generally they just have higher violent crime but are much more connected to the economic engine that is DC and have higher median household incomes and higher rate of homeownership as well.
I guess the dynamics are the same, but in MD, the cities may be smaller and it is more rural.
This also illustrates a difference between cities in much of the Northeast and further south, as immigration has always been a big part of the urban experience in the “traditional” Northeast in comparison.
It is my observation that a lot of young leftists (as in, to the left of the Democrats) fit this typology - many of them have degrees in history and social science fields and also dislike corporate job environments and have a hard time adapting to them.
This list catalogues all the DSA chapters in the US and their body sizes, so one would think the MSAs with a lot of DSA members for their size are examples of this.
One can see some asymmetries where a smaller metro has more DSA members than a larger metro:
Portland, OR: 1,000
Seattle: 775
Washington, DC: 1,476
Houston: 360
Boston: 1,100
Philadelphia: 600
Columbus, OH: 197
Cincinnati: 142
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