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Old 11-19-2019, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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This is a partial listing ( afterall there's over 300 metros) and focus on some of the largest metros by Black population and increase/decrease/stable of median incomes. I wasn't able to get around percentages therefore someone can add it. Are there any surprises or expectations? Estimates for what the future incomes could be are welcome. Source: American Community Survey.

2010

D.C: $61,152
Baltimore: $44,103
NYC: $43,040
L.A: $42,269
Boston: $41,348
Hampton Roads: $40,486
Bay Area: $40,734
Atlanta: $40,472
Houston: $39,690
Richmond: $39,546
Dallas: $37,429
Charlotte: $35,724
Miami: $35,377
Philly: $35,034
Chicago: $34,564
Memphis: $33,502
Jackson: $31,512
Detroit: $30,235
New Orleans: $30,167
St.Louis: $30,157
Cleveland: $26,490

2017

D.C: $72,564
Baltimore: $51,751
Atlanta: $51,397
Boston: $51,088
Bay Area: $50,142
NYC: $49,677
Houston: $48,991
Dallas: $47,859
Richmond: $47,663
L.A: $47,157
Hampton Roads: $46,047
Charlotte: $45,526
Miami: $42,155
Philly: $41,763
Chicago: $39,067
Jackson: $38,884
Memphis: $37,550
Detroit: $36,130
St.Louis: $33,343
New Orleans: $30,781
Cleveland: $29,661
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Old 11-19-2019, 02:31 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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This is a partial listing ( afterall there's over 300 metros) and focus on some of the largest metros by Black population and increase/decrease/stable of median incomes. I wasn't able to get around percentages therefore someone can add it. Are there any surprises or expectations? Estimates for what the future incomes could be are welcome. Source: American Community Survey.

2010

D.C: $61,152
Baltimore: $44,103

NYC: $43,040
L.A: $42,269
Boston: $41,348
Hampton Roads: $40,486
Bay Area: $40,734
Atlanta: $40,472
Houston: $39,690
Richmond: $39,546
Dallas: $37,429
Charlotte: $35,724
Miami: $35,377
Philly: $35,034
Chicago: $34,564
Memphis: $33,502
Jackson: $31,512
Detroit: $30,235
New Orleans: $30,167
St.Louis: $30,157
Cleveland: $26,490

2017

D.C: $72,564
Baltimore: $51,751

Atlanta: $51,397
Boston: $51,088
Bay Area: $50,142
NYC: $49,677
Houston: $48,991
Dallas: $47,859
Richmond: $47,663
L.A: $47,157
Hampton Roads: $46,047
Charlotte: $45,526
Miami: $42,155
Philly: $41,763
Chicago: $39,067
Jackson: $38,884
Memphis: $37,550
Detroit: $36,130
St.Louis: $33,343
New Orleans: $30,781
Cleveland: $29,661
Highlighted the "Mecca" of the country for Blacks.
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Old 11-19-2019, 02:33 PM
 
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No surprises here. High cost metro areas have higher incomes overall to offset the higher cost of living. Also, the migration of educated blacks to metro areas like Atlanta, Dallas, DC, etc, is reflected in the median earnings. There is a brain drain of many educated blacks from Midwest cities like Chicago and Detroit, taking their higher earnings along with them and lowering the median earnings of those locations.

I would not reason that jobs pay better for blacks in metros with higher median earnings, unless its a high cost metro like DC. It's mostly a more educated black populous that leads to higher median incomes and not jobs paying more in one location vs the other.

Be interesting to see what the number is for Seattle, another high cost area to live.
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Old 11-19-2019, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA/São Paulo, Brazil
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Getting married and raising a family usually increases financial stability dramatically-that applies to all groups of course.

Metro Areas by Median Black Family Income 2018:
$105,927 San Jose
$90,247 Washington DC
$75,038 San Francisco
$72,956 San Antonio
$71,613 Sacramento
$69,252 Boston
$68,077 Hartford
$68,034 Baltimore
$67,343 New York
$67,241 Raleigh
$65,942 Riverside
$65,786 Los Angeles
$65,734 Seattle
$65,143 Portland
$65,073 Austin
$63,815 Richmond
$63,797 Atlanta
$61,078 Phoenix
$60,582 San Diego
$59,427 Fresno
$57,966 Dallas
$57,753 Houston
$57,723 Denver
$56,250 Virginia Beach
$55,417 Charlotte
$55,307 Nashville
$53,797 Philadelphia
$53,593 Orlando
$52,133 Tampa
$51,565 Kansas City
$51,741 Birmingham
$51,152 Tucson
$51,014 Chicago
$50,449 Miami
$49,141 Cincinnati
$49,109 Minneapolis
$49,019 Las Vegas
$45,562 Jacksonville
$45,136 Detroit
$44,996 Columbus
$44,510 Oklahoma City
$42,825 Indianapolis
$42,682 Louisville
$42,240 Buffalo
$40,430 New Orleans
$39,717 Rochester
$39,635 Grand Rapids
$39,392 Salt Lake City
$39,113 Pittsburgh
$38,430 Cleveland
$36,039 Milwaukee
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:21 PM
 
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Getting married and raising a family usually increases financial stability dramatically-that applies to all groups of course.

Metro Areas by Median Black Family Income 2018:
$105,927 San Jose
$90,247 Washington DC
$75,038 San Francisco
$72,956 San Antonio
$71,613 Sacramento
$69,252 Boston
$68,077 Hartford
$68,034 Baltimore
$67,343 New York
$67,241 Raleigh
$65,942 Riverside
$65,786 Los Angeles
$65,734 Seattle
$65,143 Portland
$65,073 Austin
$63,815 Richmond
$63,797 Atlanta
$61,078 Phoenix
$60,582 San Diego
$59,427 Fresno
$57,966 Dallas
$57,753 Houston
$57,723 Denver
$56,250 Virginia Beach
$55,417 Charlotte
$55,307 Nashville
$53,797 Philadelphia
$53,593 Orlando
$52,133 Tampa
$51,565 Kansas City
$51,741 Birmingham
$51,152 Tucson
$51,014 Chicago
$50,449 Miami
$49,141 Cincinnati
$49,109 Minneapolis
$49,019 Las Vegas
$45,562 Jacksonville
$45,136 Detroit
$44,996 Columbus
$44,510 Oklahoma City
$42,825 Indianapolis
$42,682 Louisville
$42,240 Buffalo
$40,430 New Orleans
$39,717 Rochester
$39,635 Grand Rapids
$39,392 Salt Lake City
$39,113 Pittsburgh
$38,430 Cleveland
$36,039 Milwaukee
I hear the marriage line ubiquitously referenced as to what ills the black community economically, but I don't buy it. It's not like getting married creates income if two people are uneducated and unemployed. The truth is that more educated higher earning individuals are more attractive as mates, as well as, have more of a desire to be married. Lower educated and lower earning males are not good providers and tend to not want to marry....because they know they cannot deal with the pressures of having to be a provider (can't be a good provider then become a good player). Thus, its not the fact that marriage is creating stability, but the fact that stable highly functioning individuals tend to get married. On the other hand, if unstable dysfunctional people got married, marriage will not make them stable and functional.

The cities at the lower end of the list tend to have major black brain drain and or are areas that have attracted a lot of poor black migrants or refugees. If you are an educated black person with marketable skills, you likely don't want to live in many of those cities toward the bottom of the list, unless the black population is so large, as in the case of Detroit, that you can find black middle and upper middle class culture readily available.
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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No surprises here. High cost metro areas have higher incomes overall to offset the higher cost of living. Also, the migration of educated blacks to metro areas like Atlanta, Dallas, DC, etc, is reflected in the median earnings. There is a brain drain of many educated blacks from Midwest cities like Chicago and Detroit, taking their higher earnings along with them and lowering the median earnings of those locations.

I would not reason that jobs pay better for blacks in metros with higher median earnings, unless its a high cost metro like DC. It's mostly a more educated black populous that leads to higher median incomes and not jobs paying more in one location vs the other.

Be interesting to see what the number is for Seattle, another high cost area to live.

Seattle metro 2010: $40,560 / 2017: $50,050
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Old 11-20-2019, 06:16 AM
 
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Seattle metro 2010: $40,560 / 2017: $50,050
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Old 11-20-2019, 06:26 AM
 
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No surprises here. High cost metro areas have higher incomes overall to offset the higher cost of living. Also, the migration of educated blacks to metro areas like Atlanta, Dallas, DC, etc, is reflected in the median earnings. There is a brain drain of many educated blacks from Midwest cities like Chicago and Detroit, taking their higher earnings along with them and lowering the median earnings of those locations.

I would not reason that jobs pay better for blacks in metros with higher median earnings, unless its a high cost metro like DC. It's mostly a more educated black populous that leads to higher median incomes and not jobs paying more in one location vs the other.

Be interesting to see what the number is for Seattle, another high cost area to live.
Or one could make the argument that the large metro areas which tend to have a high CoL also provide more opportunities for PoC. Pretty simple concept.
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Old 11-20-2019, 08:10 AM
 
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Or one could make the argument that the large metro areas which tend to have a high CoL also provide more opportunities for PoC. Pretty simple concept.
Or that the areas higher on the list have industries such as government(state or federal)/military, that tend to be more equitable and are more apt to have a more representative/diverse workforce in those industries as well. Many of the areas high on the list have one, if not both within their areas.

I also think that some of the cities that are lower down the list, while most are "Rust Belt", also are cities that have recently had refugee resettlement(Minneapolis, Buffalo, Columbus, Rochester, etc.), that play a part in those figures. So, there is a portion of the population in those areas that are still trying to assimilate and get their footing.

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Old 11-20-2019, 08:18 AM
 
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Or one could make the argument that the large metro areas which tend to have a high CoL also provide more opportunities for PoC. Pretty simple concept.
One could make that argument, if those markets have exceptionally low rates of unemployment and a high rates of job growth. Opportunity is the function of supply and demand. That having been said, I think the higher incomes in the high COL metro areas is mostly due to a higher cost of living and a more educated AA workforce. Note: The high educated workforce of many of these metro areas is due to migration and not the case of the metro area PRODUCING more educated people. There is a difference between attracting educated people to your area compared to the organic growth of an educated populous. The truly more impressive area would be the latter and not the former.
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