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Old 12-07-2019, 09:48 PM
 
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Milwaukee would hardly fall into an abyss. The teams are a bonus...they're not the reason the city exists.
Not literally but their national profile would be similar to Hartford or Birmingham
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Old 12-08-2019, 12:05 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Not literally but their national profile would be similar to Hartford or Birmingham
You can’t be serious? Besides the Brewers and Bucks, they had the MLB Braves in the 1950’s & 1960’s. They also shared home games with the Green Bay Packers for 30-40 years up until the 90’s.

Unless you’re a hardcore NHL fan and know that Hartford had a team, or you’re in the insurance business, you don’t know a single thing about Hartford. I can’t image what anyone thinks of Birmingham.

I’m not from Wisconsin (I actually have roots in Michigan, Ohio, and Minnesota), but I have to call out ridiculousness when I see it.

Do you honestly think Hartford and Birmingham has the same recognition that Milwaukee has in this country and worldwide, regardless of pro franchises?
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Old 12-08-2019, 02:16 AM
 
Location: WA Desert, Seattle native
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You can’t be serious? Besides the Brewers and Bucks, they had the MLB Braves in the 1950’s & 1960’s. They also shared home games with the Green Bay Packers for 30-40 years up until the 90’s.

Unless you’re a hardcore NHL fan and know that Hartford had a team, or you’re in the insurance business, you don’t know a single thing about Hartford. I can’t image what anyone thinks of Birmingham.

I’m not from Wisconsin (I actually have roots in Michigan, Ohio, and Minnesota), but I have to call out ridiculousness when I see it.

Do you honestly think Hartford and Birmingham has the same recognition that Milwaukee has in this country and worldwide, regardless of pro franchises?
This brings up a good point. Cities that have major league sports are “heard” more often whether it is tv radio or online. The repetition means more top of mind awareness and that can be critical in how cities are perceived.
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Old 12-08-2019, 07:32 AM
 
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You can’t be serious? Besides the Brewers and Bucks, they had the MLB Braves in the 1950’s & 1960’s. They also shared home games with the Green Bay Packers for 30-40 years up until the 90’s.

Unless you’re a hardcore NHL fan and know that Hartford had a team, or you’re in the insurance business, you don’t know a single thing about Hartford. I can’t image what anyone thinks of Birmingham.

I’m not from Wisconsin (I actually have roots in Michigan, Ohio, and Minnesota), but I have to call out ridiculousness when I see it.

Do you honestly think Hartford and Birmingham has the same recognition that Milwaukee has in this country and worldwide, regardless of pro franchises?
I said if they didnt have pro franchises they’d be like Hartford or Birmingham then you list how people would know them because of their pro franchises.

I honestly don’t think anyone knows anything about Milwaukee except their pro teams and maybe Miller Beer. Likely the only thing anyone knows about Hartford is it’s a state capital.
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Old 12-08-2019, 12:54 PM
 
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A great advantage of having pro sports teams is their involvement in the community. In LA and NY, where there are so many pro sports teams, it's important to support community causes financially and through appearances. And your sure to make the 11 o'clock news. Fans love seeing sports figures pledging money to, and visiting local schools and places like Children's Hospital of LA. Or christening new ball fields, basketball courts, ice skating rinks, and parks financed by the Dodgers, Lakes, Kings, etc.

With so many teams in one city, it's almost a competition of sorts. In Baseball the Dodgers clearly do more for the community than do the Angels. In Hockey the Kings do more than the Ducks. In Basketball I'd say it's a draw between the Lakers and Clippers who are both very involved in supporting community causes. In Football the Rams do far more community outreach than do the Chargers. And in Soccer the Galaxy and LAFC both do a good job of contributing time and money to local projects.

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Old 12-08-2019, 02:04 PM
 
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I'm a fan of my local teams, but player/team donations are a pittance. Most companies and rich people give something away, but these donations are more known because of the team PR machine. If the same fan dollars went to something else, I'd assume whoever that was would donate some money too.

It's great that a player volunteers a lot and donates $50,000 to something, but it's way better when someone gives $5,000,000 or $50,000,000.

Allstate's field goal netting is annoying...they give pennies compared to the PR benefits they're getting.
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Old 12-08-2019, 02:32 PM
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I'm a fan of the NHL's Hurricanes who play in Raleigh, where I was born and have family who I visit often.

Having an NHL franchise doesn't put a city on the map quite like having an NFL franchise, or even an NBA franchise, but at the same time it gives Raleigh an opportunity to be in the same league as NYC, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Philadelphia, Boston, Toronto, etc (Cities that also have NHL franchises). Which for a smaller city that is more known for college basketball, is pretty cool in my book. And, when the team does well like last year, it gives the city (and the Triangle as well) a chance to be showcased on a national stage for something other than ACC hoops.

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Old 12-08-2019, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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I said if they didnt have pro franchises they’d be like Hartford or Birmingham then you list how people would know them because of their pro franchises.

I honestly don’t think anyone knows anything about Milwaukee except their pro teams and maybe Miller Beer. Likely the only thing anyone knows about Hartford is it’s a state capital.
I think Hartford is pretty known for being the beginning of Red Sox nation in new england, the first major city that holds a plurality to that.

Maybe its because I live a state away but Hartford is known for a lot of things other than being a capital.
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Old 12-08-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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I said if they didnt have pro franchises they’d be like Hartford or Birmingham then you list how people would know them because of their pro franchises.

I honestly don’t think anyone knows anything about Milwaukee except their pro teams and maybe Miller Beer. Likely the only thing anyone knows about Hartford is it’s a state capital.
They'll probably know more next year. Oh, and Milwaukee (FYI), is known by a lot more people, I think, than you would expect. Harley Davidson is based in Milwaukee, and their festivals draw thousands from the world over, on a regular basis. So, that's one thing. Just because you don't know, doesn't mean others don't.

https://www.google.com/search?q=milw...w=1920&bih=969

Oh, and Summerfest, one of the largest music festivals in the country, as well.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=19...WwuCYgQ4dUDCAc

There, now you know more, than Miller Beer, the Bucks (one of the very best teams in the NBA), and the Brewers.
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Old 12-08-2019, 07:23 PM
 
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They'll probably know more next year. Oh, and Milwaukee (FYI), is known by a lot more people, I think, than you would expect. Harley Davidson is based in Milwaukee, and their festivals draw thousands from the world over, on a regular basis. So, that's one thing. Just because you don't know, doesn't mean others don't.

https://www.google.com/search?q=milw...w=1920&bih=969

Oh, and Summerfest, one of the largest music festivals in the country, as well.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=19...WwuCYgQ4dUDCAc

There, now you know more, than Miller Beer, the Bucks (one of the very best teams in the NBA), and the Brewers.
Things happen in Birmingham and Hartford too. Sorry but it’s true. Milwaukee, Buffalo, OKC the teams make the city in the general public’s eye.

The only exception to the small market rule is SLC where LDS probably comes to mind first
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