Do you consider these Texas cities to be part of the South? (crimes, elementary school)

[Chevalier de Saint-George]

Originally Posted by whereiend

This is the sort of circular logic I see in this debate. Anything that is Texan is therefore "Southern", and therefore Texas is the South.

Cowboy boots and hats are western, not southern. Garth Brooks is from Oklahoma. This example was contrived to begin with of course, but still, how is that evidence of Texas being apart of the same region as Alabama, Georgia, the Carolinas, etc?

The point is, for every southern cultural trait that Texas has it has 2-3 that are Western, Mexican, Great Plains, etc... Only a very small part of the state fits more in the South than in other regions.

Interesting. See, the South is a large area and has many sub-regions. My city is very different from Appalachian KY and Richmond and Orlando aren't too similar because they're in different sub-regions of a larger overall region. I understand the gray transitional areas of states that border other regions. (I understand that El Paso and ABQ share tons of similarities but..... I've never mistook a Texan as a Westerner or Midwesterner but then again we don't have many Plains Midwesterners in ATL (mostly Ohio, Illinois, Michigan representation this way). Do you have any examples that would strengthen your point?

One thing I notice you do is go to the extreme East of the South to make a point. Would your points hold up if you compared TX with California and the Upper Midwest (the true Midwest)? Also, OU plays LSU here in ATL. I have a feeling both fanbases will be exuding Southernness all over the place.

[Foamposite]

Originally Posted by eddie gein

Some are and some aren't. You can go to a place like Laredo and never hear a word of English over a week's time in most parts of town.

I doubt that. Way too many US born Latinos for that to be true.

[shimmy42]

where is fort worth and arlington

[shimmy42]

Originally Posted by Foamposite

Houston
Dallas
Austin
San Antonio
Odessa/Midland
Lubbock
Amarillo

I'm curious because a surprisingly high amount of people on here say that Texas isn't even the South, or that only Houston and Eastward are.

I personally think of all of the above as being part of the South, but I'd like to hear your opinions.

If anything,
Dallas is a mix of the south and midwest
Houston is Southern(Hence the Louisiana influence)
Austin is kinda like California and maybe East Coast mixed
Odessa/Midland is Southwest
Lubbock is basically Oklahoma
Amarillo is like a Great Plains
San Antonio is not as Southwestern like El Paso or West Texas but its not Southern
Fort Worth imo has Southern influence but is not Southern

Thats all just my opinion ik Texas is its own state but seems like some of the cities don't really match that Texan influence you would see in other cities of Texas

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by Foamposite

I doubt that. Way too many US born Latinos for that to be true.

I dont see why thats far fetched. That are lots of place in lots of cities where you barely hear English.

[Gaylord_Focker]

Originally Posted by shimmy42

If anything,
Dallas is a mix of the south and midwest
Houston is Southern(Hence the Louisiana influence)
Austin is kinda like California and maybe East Coast mixed
Odessa/Midland is Southwest
Lubbock is basically Oklahoma
Amarillo is like a Great Plains
San Antonio is not as Southwestern like El Paso or West Texas but its not Southern
Fort Worth imo has Southern influence but is not Southern

Thats all just my opinion ik Texas is its own state but seems like some of the cities don't really match that Texan influence you would see in other cities of Texas

I always blend Amaarillo in with Oklahoma, Colorado and New Mexico.

[SunGrins]

Originally Posted by C24L

I would not consider Corpus to be southern or very southern.....Midland is more similar to Lubbock than Austin.

Well, it’s been decades since I spent time in Corpus but it seemed southern gulf coast at the time I was there, might have changed.
My point was that Midland probably resembles Lubbock more than Austin.

[C24L]

Originally Posted by SunGrins

Well, it’s been decades since I spent time in Corpus but it seemed southern gulf coast at the time I was there, might have changed.
My point was that Midland probably resembles Lubbock more than Austin.

Okay i see....fair enough.I would agree that Midland is more like Lubbock than Austin.

[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by Foamposite

I doubt that. Way too many US born Latinos for that to be true.

I've been there and done it. In multiple border towns in Texas, Arizona and CA.

Some of them can speak English. They just don't unless they realize you can't speak spanish.

[Exult.Q36]

Only people born in the state of Texas from 1994 below are qualified to post if Texas is southern or not. Texas demographics in the 80’s and 90’s were very different than the demographics of today. All you really have to do to get an accurate assessment of Texas southern roots is talk to the older black population in places like Houston, Dallas, and Fort Worth. They will gladly tell you what region Texas belongs too. Black people were being lynched in Texas just like the rest of the south. Jim Crow laws ruled Texas just like the rest of the south. Look at the countless cities and counties in the state of Texas that were named after confederate leaders. The state of Texas still to this very day closely align culturally, socially, and politically with the other southern states that left the union. They only people that would classify Texas as not apart of the south would be those that are ignorant of history.