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View Poll Results: Most Impressive Built Environment outside NYC and Chicago?
San Francisco 29 25.89%
D.C. 18 16.07%
Boston 15 13.39%
Philly 20 17.86%
Miami 8 7.14%
Seattle 7 6.25%
Los Angeles 8 7.14%
Dallas 3 2.68%
Atlanta 1 0.89%
Other (specify) 3 2.68%
Voters: 112. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-12-2020, 08:21 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA / Baltimore, MD
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I maintain that downtown density is a Boston win compared to Philly and SF. Exhibit A. Exhibit B.
...You can find multiple alleyways/streets in Philly & in SF that are just a narrow

When it comes to their downtowns it's literally splitting hairs.
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Philly streets are narrower

A typical Boston street in an average density neighborhood notice pretty much every single car is parked on the curb. This is a two way street.

Dorchester:
https://goo.gl/maps/vL2hnUEnNf1565BH9

One way in Roxbury:
https://goo.gl/maps/hVdjfmfGz8uDjkPA7

Boston has some very very jumbled streets:

https://goo.gl/maps/kzFw7KSX9V3LY7Hm9

https://goo.gl/maps/q9zQGEEKRVWRikH4A
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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...You can find multiple alleyways/streets in Philly & in SF that are just a narrow

When it comes to their downtowns it's literally splitting hairs.
Peak density in Boston downtown may be a little more than Philly’s I’d have to say but Philly’s downtown is bigger and it maintains built further than Boston for sure
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Small yards due to the detached tenements and brighter building give Boston a levity And connection to nature Philly often lacks

https://goo.gl/maps/B8PfjNtLYnb8jDEf7
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Medfid
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...You can find multiple alleyways/streets in Philly & in SF that are just a narrow

When it comes to their downtowns it's literally splitting hairs.
Neither of those streets are anywhere near as narrow as the ones I showed in Boston.

This is the best counter-example in Philly I could find, but generally Center City has wider streets than downtown Boston. It’s the neighborhoods where Philly has those real narrow stretches like Duderino posted earlier.

Couldn’t find a good counter-example in SF.

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Small yards due to the detached tenements and brighter building give Boston a levity And connection to nature Philly often lacks

https://goo.gl/maps/B8PfjNtLYnb8jDEf7
The “presence of trees” argument is the one I’ve had the most difficulty responding to, because I really don’t think that Boston’s vegetation detracts from its built environment.
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:49 PM
 
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Neither of those streets are anywhere near as narrow as the ones I showed in Boston.

This is the best counter-example in Philly I could find, but generally Center City has wider streets than downtown Boston. It’s the neighborhoods where Philly has those real narrow stretches like Duderino posted earlier.

Couldn’t find a good counter-example in SF.



The “presence of trees” argument is the one I’ve had the most difficulty responding to, because I really don’t think that Boston’s vegetation detracts from its built environment.
I posted plenty of Philly streets that are narrower than your Boston example on my post on the previous page.

Here it is.

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On average, I would say that Philly has narrower streets and more narrow streets than Boston (Boston does however have some narrow streets in the north end and beacon hill).

Here a few Philly examples

A South Philly street that is probably the narrowest street in America.
https://goo.gl/maps/EwbYkNK2S9J2

Old city
https://goo.gl/maps/9T1Lfv1evmm

https://goo.gl/maps/ptj1c4ZBV812

https://goo.gl/maps/T1Ho6C6pE3p

Washington Square
https://goo.gl/maps/D81AqdJjMyq

Midtown village
https://goo.gl/maps/TQqbZokPp4A2
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Medfid
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I posted plenty of Philly streets that are narrower than your Boston example on my post on the previous page.
Only the last one is close to what I’d call “downtown”.

I could certainly post streetviews of similarly narrow streets in the North End, Beacon Hill, or Charlestown.

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Old 03-12-2020, 09:04 PM
 
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Only the last one is close to what I’d call “downtown”.

I could certainly post streetviews of similar or narrower streets and alleys in the North End, Beacon Hill, Charlestown, Fenway, etc.
The only example that I posted that wasn't in Center city ("downtown") Philly was the south Philly example.. With that said every example I posted was narrower than your Boston example.
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Old 03-13-2020, 01:29 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA / Baltimore, MD
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Neither of those streets are anywhere near as narrow as the ones I showed in Boston. (
Those side "alleys" with cars in them adjacent to the main avenue are named streets. The structural density between downtown SF/Boston/Philly is like splitting hairs.

Hell you could make a cases for DT Baltimore, Cleveland & Pittsburgh as well if it wasn't for those cities demoing swaths of their pre-war high-rises.

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Old 03-13-2020, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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This[/url] is the best counter-example in Philly I could find, but generally Center City has wider streets than downtown Boston.
Hmm, that really hasn't been my experience. Boston certainly has much more of an irregular street pattern, but Center City streets are at least as narrow on average as DTX, with arguably more super narrow examples.


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Only the last one is close to what I’d call “downtown”.
For the record, the traditional boundaries of Center City Philadelphia are "River to River; Vine to South," so the examples posted by nephi215 all technically qualify as the downtown "core" of the city.

Here are few others closer to the Philly CBD:

Rittenhouse Square: https://goo.gl/maps/jwTiMWWeWPmVp7U18

Sansom Street: https://goo.gl/maps/hXDs7x1wHkXwhySKA

Chancellor Street: https://goo.gl/maps/pV2JmmSapvPDFSRTA

Juniper Street: https://goo.gl/maps/8oq65q2u2qbAYChD8

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