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View Poll Results: Most Impressive Built Environment outside NYC and Chicago?
San Francisco 29 25.89%
D.C. 18 16.07%
Boston 15 13.39%
Philly 20 17.86%
Miami 8 7.14%
Seattle 7 6.25%
Los Angeles 8 7.14%
Dallas 3 2.68%
Atlanta 1 0.89%
Other (specify) 3 2.68%
Voters: 112. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-10-2020, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach
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Maybe, care to share the underlying data you are using to make these statements? And you realize that Philadelphia has much larger parks than anything in San Fransisco? None the less, the massive oil refinery that is getting ready to be redeveloped. By percentage, SF has a lot more detached single family homes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-ap...LYY.png&w=1440
SF isbthe only city with census tracts over 100k ppsm outside NYC. SF peak density is higher than any city in US or Canada not named NYC. Period. That's why SF almost has twice as many people per square mile as SF and 2nd most housing units per square mile in US and Canada behind only NYC
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Old 03-10-2020, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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Some photos to show that you folks are nuts for thinking SF or Philly have more impressive built environments than Boston:

https://flic.kr/p/2ipHSCK
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It’s downtown can absolutely complete but Boston doesn’t maintain that lvl of structural density the way Philly & San Fran maintain theirs once you get 3-4 miles outside of their CBD’s.
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Old 03-10-2020, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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SF isbthe only city with census tracts over 100k ppsm outside NYC. SF peak density is higher than any city in US or Canada not named NYC. Period. That's why SF almost has twice as many people per square mile as SF and 2nd most housing units per square mile in US and Canada behind only NYC
Again.... why do you keep bringing up population density when this thread is about built environment?

SF is not more urbanely built than Philly despite having a significantly higher population density, and the only reason it’s housing stock per square mile is that high is because of it tiny official boarders, not raw housing stock count
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Old 03-10-2020, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Medfid
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SF isbthe only city with census tracts over 100k ppsm outside NYC.
PROVE. IT.

I’ve been trying to find data myself, but haven’t been able to. I’d be shocked, though, if peak density in SF were much higher than in Boston.
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Old 03-10-2020, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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PROVE. IT.

I’ve been trying to find data myself, but haven’t been able to. I’d be shocked, though, if peak density in SF were much higher than that of Boston.
DC, Boston & SF have virtually identical daytime peak population densities
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Old 03-10-2020, 06:47 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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It’s downtown can absolutely complete but Boston doesn’t maintain that lvl of structural density the way Philly & San Fran maintain there’s once you get 3-4 miles outside of their CBD’s.
Absolutely, as well as DC.
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Old 03-10-2020, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Medfid
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It’s downtown can absolutely complete but Boston doesn’t maintain that lvl of structural density the way Philly & San Fran maintain theirs once you get 3-4 miles outside of their CBD’s.
Somerville, MA is not only more densely populated than the city of Boston. It’s also more densely populated than the city of San Francisco.

I’ll also remind you that 3-4miles from SF looks like this.
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Old 03-10-2020, 07:00 PM
 
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Don't sleep on the south either just because they are more known for sprawl than the North is. They will improve as the years go along
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Old 03-10-2020, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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Somerville, MA is not only more densely populated than the city of Boston. It’s also more densely populated than the city of San Francisco.
You’d have a point if this thread was about population density, but it’s not.

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I’ll also remind you that 3-4miles from SF looks like this.
Yes.... because building homes on the top of damn mountain is about as realistic as building homes in the middle of Boston Harbor

Outside of their CBD’s.... SF blows Boston out in structural density
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Old 03-10-2020, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Medfid
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You’d have a point if this thread was about population density, but it’s not.

Built Environment
Just so I understand your point: you’re saying that Somerville and Cambridge are less impressive than Daly City and San Bruno so therefore Boston is less impressive than SF?


Edit: Was at the wrong scale on Google maps. 3mi from the CBD of SF lands you in the Mission District or Laurel Heights? I still think Cambridge and Somerville more than compete. The density drop off in Boston occurs in earnest at 5 or 6 miles from the CBD.

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