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The centrally located areas like say, Union Square may be common ground in NYC. However, I don't think people tend to be familiar with other race's neighborhoods that are deeper in the city.
For instance, I worked with a black Brooklynite who was only familiar with the Brooklyn neighborhoods that have a large black population. And I don't think white people really go to the Bronx much unless it's a tourist attraction like The Bronx Zoo or Little Italy. So typically, they're not familiar with it or other parts of the city with little to no whites.
Yea but plenty of white people are familiar with Bed Stuy, Harlem, Lower East Side, Bushwick, and Washington Heights. Many black people are familiar with (northern) Staten Island, Midtown, Astoria, etc. etc.
Very few white people familiar with Franklin Field, Bowdoin-Geneva, Mattapan Square etc. Many black people in Boston unfamiliar with pretty popular areas like the North End, Allston, Charlestown, Seaport, Beacon Hill, South Boston etc etc
Yea but plenty of white people are familiar with Bed Stuy, Harlem, Lower East Side, Bushwick, and Washington Heights. Many black people are familiar with (northern) Staten Island, Midtown, Astoria, etc. etc.
Very few white people familiar with Franklin Field, Bowdoin-Geneva, Mattapan Square etc. Many black people in Boston unfamiliar with pretty popular areas like the North End, Allston, Charlestown, Seaports, Beacon Hill, South Boston etc etc
Lower East Side is not a good example because it is traditionally a white neighborhood other than the projects. White people do go to Bushwick and Harlem a lot because they're rapidly gentrifying. But white people rarely go to non-gentrifying black neighborhoods like Canarsie or East Flatbush. Ditto Hispanic neighborhoods like most of the Bronx, Eastern portion of Washington Heights/Inwood, etc.
Boulder City is the only heavily white high school in Clark County. There are 4 others that are between 50 and 60% white. There are 9 others that are plurality white, ranging from 27-49%. There are 8 heavily Hispanic schools, some in Vegas proper and some in other parts of Clark County. There are 3 more that are majority Hispanic between 50 and 60%. There are 6 that are plurality Hispanic, ranging from 33-49%. So, for Clark County, there are 9 segregated schools, 7 schools with a slight majority of one group, and 15 that have no majority of any group. So that's 22 integrated high schools compared to 9 segregated ones, and demonstrates my point that by and large, white students (outside Boulder City) are attending integrated schools in Vegas and its suburbs.
I wasn't talking about NYC, I was talking about Houston. What do you even mean that diverse schools aren't integrated? Then your last sentence, or sentence fragment- what were you trying to say as you trailed off?
You seem to have a strong opinion that you are looking to confirm without any statistical evidence. I'll say it again... in the Southwest, you can find many majority Hispanic schools with few white students because of the large number of Hispanic children, many in cities and some in blue collar suburbs. You will not find many majority white schools in the cities or even in the suburbs, because there are very few places with a majority white school age population. It's even rarer to find a high school with over 60% white students in the Southwest. It's not that white children in the Southwest are going to private school either.
In fact, here are the 10 US metros with the lowest percentage of private school enrollment:
10. Austin
9. San Antonio
8. Salt Lake City 7. Houston
6. Phoenix
5. Riverside-San Bernardino
4. Las Vegas
3. Bakersfield
2. El Paso
1. Fresno
So, there are two main kinds of neighborhoods in the Southwest, poor, immigrant heavy neighborhoods, that are mostly Black and/or Hispanic, and middle class and above neighborhoods that are almost all integrated. It starts to segregate out at the very high end, but those are a tiny proportion of neighborhoods that only small minority of white people live in.
Nailed, it and even at the low end when talking rural areas, you can toss white kids in there. The whitest high school in the Greater Katy area is Katy High School and it's 47% White and it's not even considered part of the "top 4" schools in Katy.
Taylor- 44.7%
Cinco Ranch- 43.4%
Tompkins- 41.3%
Seven Lakes- 37.5%
Morton Ranch, Paetow and Mayde Creek are Hispanic majority (55%) schools and are trending more Hispanic in general. I will say in Katy their is massive Hispanic/White integration here. Black people and Asians are two of the smaller groups.
Probably the most diverse part of Houston is Richmond, Texas especially the 77407 zip code as well as the areas immediately bordering it, no majorities anywhere there and 15% of all 4 races is the norm.
Last edited by NigerianNightmare; 10-25-2020 at 07:13 PM..
Nailed, it and even at the low end when talking rural areas, you can toss white kids in there. The whitest high school in the Greater Katy area is Katy High School and it's 47% White and it's not even considered part of the "top 4" schools in Katy.
Taylor- 44.7%
Cinco Ranch- 43.4%
Tompkins- 41.3%
Seven Lakes- 37.5%
I wonder how integrated the schools themselves are. I went to a mixed school and I would say it was somewhat segregated but certain groups (nerds in particular) were mixed.
I wonder how integrated the schools themselves are. I went to a mixed school and I would say it was somewhat segregated but certain groups (nerds in particular) were mixed.
The School I graduated from is integrated, and for the most part friend groups were integrated as well, my best friends were Asian (Pakistani, Filipino, Malaysian, Vietnamese), Black (Nigerian and African American, Hispanic (Colombian, Venezuelan, Mexican and Peruvian) and White (Turkish and White) last in Highschool, and roughly in that order.
The demographics of the school is 31% Black, 24% White, 23% Asian and 18% Hispanic in suburban Houston. I know the demographics aren't normal for the area but it does and did well academically while being mixed income and mixed ethnicity, and honestly it's a big part of the reason why I think the Houston area is more integrated than most other areas because a diverse school experience was pretty common in my region (Fort Bend County) although my school specifically was exceptional in terms of diversity. Something like 90% of all schools here I would classify as diverse.
The County's demographics are 32% White, 25% Hispanic, 21% Black and 21% Asian with 800,000+ people estimated in the county.
I wonder how integrated the schools themselves are. I went to a mixed school and I would say it was somewhat segregated but certain groups (nerds in particular) were mixed.
Can't talk for all of them but my younger siblings went there, and while their are some political influenced tensions, their pretty integrated with my siblings having friends of all races although my sister friends clearly plurality black, and my brother leans into Hispanic, Mixed and Asian friends but has no real plurality. Didn't go to those schools so never knew how diverse it is but they like to say it's just as diverse as the school I graduated from although statistics doesn't help that case.
I used to assume that the West and Southwest had a lot of white and Hispanic integration, but I later realized that's probably not true.
You might look at the demographics of a state like Nevada or Arizona and assume that the white and Hispanic population must be very integrated, but it seems to just end up not being true. Partly because white parents are much more picky as to where they send their kids to school.
And I find that the younger generation of Hispanics in general (say, under 35 or so) actually assimilate to black culture.
It varies from my experience. I met Hispanics who are heavy into hip-hop and wear Jordans and I met those who are more into metal/pop and dress like a suburban white kid. I'm talking about the young ones to.
A sizable Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander populace there too; but also, one of the largest demographic in the city and state (nearly a quarter) are multiracial people. This demographic doesn't get talked about enough as an indicator of integration.
Also, some black and Hispanic folks due to the pretty big military presence in the area.
Certain cities on here are referred to as diverse or even integrated on here very frequently. But it seems that there is very consistent types of segregation throughout the whole country. You might have varying levels of black/Hispanic integration and white/Asian integration, but what about beyond that?
I also think that neighborhoods can be diverse on paper, but still have segregated schools. And even when schools are integrated on paper, there might be a high degree of segregation within the school. Such as different groups choosing different paths or social divide.
Here in NYC, there aren't really any neighborhoods with "organic" white/black integration. There were neighborhoods with temporary integration during white flight, and now there are as well due to rapid gentrification of certain neighborhoods.
Houston is often referred to as being extemely diverse and integrated, but like NYC it seems to have many neighborhoods and schools that are black and/or Hispanic with virtually no whites.
I think that you might find the most true integration in certain suburbs more often than in big cities.
Am I wrong about these observations? Are there any mid to large cities with true, widespread integration?
An exception to this would be, despite reputation of being super white, hipster circles. I witness it a lot in real life, a lot of gentrifying/gentrified neighborhoods where the hip crowd hang out (like Bushwick, Brooklyn) have diverse friend groups and interracial couples in spades.
It varies from my experience. I met Hispanics who are heavy into hip-hop and wear Jordans and I met those who are more into metal/pop and dress like a suburban white kid. I'm talking about the young ones to.
Yeah it varies. If I had to guess though, I would guess that the former is more common.
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