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Old 08-17-2020, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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Those three towns you listed are not rural. I echo the other poster in wanting to know how they calculate rural vs small towns.

Rural: The Census Bureau defines rural as any population, housing, or territory NOT in an urban area.

Small Town: Incorporated places and census designated places with populations of at least 2,500 and less than 50,000 located outside of urbanized areas

Also: According to the latest American Community Survey (ACS), 54.4 percent of people living in rural areas are within a metro area.

I hope that help out.
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Old 08-17-2020, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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There are some interesting and mystifying numbers.

I'm confused about category number two. Does it represent the percentage of the state's TOTAL population that live in small/town rural or does it represent the percentage of black residents of the Total small/town rural population.
The latter.
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Old 08-17-2020, 12:38 PM
 
Location: D.C. / I-95
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Rural: The Census Bureau defines rural as any population, housing, or territory NOT in an urban area.

Small Town: Incorporated places and census designated places with populations of at least 2,500 and less than 50,000 located outside of urbanized areas

Also: According to the latest American Community Survey (ACS), 54.4 percent of people living in rural areas are within a metro area.

I hope that help out.
Ok, under this definition, there are no rural areas in NJ.
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Old 08-17-2020, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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Ok, under this definition, there are no rural areas in NJ.
Actually there are rural areas.
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Old 08-17-2020, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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FWIW, I think New Jersey and Rhode Island are the only two states with no land that’s not part of an MSA.

After that, Massachusetts and Connecticut have one non-urban/metropolitan County each.

None of these 4 states have unincorporated land as far as I know of.
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Old 08-19-2020, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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FWIW, I think New Jersey and Rhode Island are the only two states with no land that’s not part of an MSA.

After that, Massachusetts and Connecticut have one non-urban/metropolitan County each.

None of these 4 states have unincorporated land as far as I know of.
Slight reminder: 54.4 percent of people living in rural areas are within a metro area.
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Old 08-19-2020, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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People seem to be confusing urbanized area with MSA. Most MSAs are larger in terms of population (and certainly land area) than the urbanized area, because if even one section of a rural county has a large amount of commuters who go into a core city, that's enough to include it.

For Philly, for example, you can see the urbanized area here. Warning, big PDF. It does not come anywhere close to extending all the way out to Atlantic City, let alone Cape May.

I'd say in NJ that smaller cities like Bridgeton and Salem qualify as small towns/rural, and they assuredly have large black populations.
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Old 08-19-2020, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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People seem to be confusing urbanized area with MSA. Most MSAs are larger in terms of population (and certainly land area) than the urbanized area, because if even one section of a rural county has a large amount of commuters who go into a core city, that's enough to include it.

For Philly, for example, you can see the urbanized area here. Warning, big PDF. It does not come anywhere close to extending all the way out to Atlantic City, let alone Cape May.

I'd say in NJ that smaller cities like Bridgeton and Salem qualify as small towns/rural, and they assuredly have large black populations.
I've been doing that since joining this forum. Someone else pointed it out to me about using Hattiesburg as an example. It finally sunk in and can be perplexing initially with all the metro stats popularity.
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Old 08-19-2020, 08:02 PM
 
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People seem to be confusing urbanized area with MSA. Most MSAs are larger in terms of population (and certainly land area) than the urbanized area, because if even one section of a rural county has a large amount of commuters who go into a core city, that's enough to include it.

For Philly, for example, you can see the urbanized area here. Warning, big PDF. It does not come anywhere close to extending all the way out to Atlantic City, let alone Cape May.

I'd say in NJ that smaller cities like Bridgeton and Salem qualify as small towns/rural, and they assuredly have large black populations.
I could see Salem, but Bridgeton is a city of about 24,000 people. So, the latter may be too big to be viewed as rural or even small town.
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Old 08-19-2020, 08:20 PM
 
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Some for NY I can see being a fit, Sodus(village, about 15%): https://goo.gl/maps/b5aiMzAxKSURdS289

Lyons(former village, about 11%): https://goo.gl/maps/efCjDqAspvojBsyT7

Liberty(village, about 14%): https://goo.gl/maps/tjRiuAx43Juaefc2A

Ellenville(village, about 12%): https://goo.gl/maps/Lt3xaEtcrY9k5SUW8

Greenport(village, about 11%): https://goo.gl/maps/Hm13AZsWjWq5FMc99

Monticello(village of 6400, about 33%): https://goo.gl/maps/7JxCC9REzVJEqfAeA

Bridgehampton(hamlet/CDP, about 17%): https://goo.gl/maps/fLGfua3uBPYab6qh6

South Fallsburg(hamlet/CDP, about 14%, town of Fallsburg is about 16%): https://goo.gl/maps/ML2WrhZEbGgT9XoN8

Chester(village, about 17%): https://goo.gl/maps/k6Tukgx3EkUr6eU88

Albion(village, about 14%): https://goo.gl/maps/hUiB7FvvtmCWhW4D9

Catskill(village, about 22%): https://goo.gl/maps/9hVNFFZT9h8q3ZYF9

Hudson(city of 6300, about 21%, current mayor is black, known for its artsy vibe and antique scene): https://goo.gl/maps/d6U9D28LVN6FdV2Q7

I’ll stop there, but this doesn’t include other towns with smaller, but visible percentages like Medina(this former NFL player went to HS there: https://orleanshub.com/mustangs-hono...r-ernie-clark/ ), Williamson(has a couple of “black” churches, where this Howard University professor grew up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emory_Tolbert ), Clyde(where this former Kansas University Basketball Player is from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se3t...&feature=share ), LeRoy(has a “black” Baptist Church that is over 100 years old), Caledonia/Mumford(latter also has a “black” church that has been there since 1890), Coxsackie(has a long time AME Church), Chatham(also has a long time AME Church), Peterboro(an Underground Railroad community, home to Abolitionist Hall of Fame, Elizabeth Street long time black families still there), Canastota(handful of families, some with long ties came as migrant farmers, late NBA lawyer from there: https://www.canastotacsd.org/communi...rees/gary_hall ), Warwick(long time AME Zion chuch there), Ravena/Selkirk area(long time church and came to work on railroad) and a handful of others.

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