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Old 08-20-2020, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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I could see Salem, but Bridgeton is a city of about 24,000 people. So, the latter may be too big to be viewed as rural or even small town.
Small town for sure.
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Old 08-20-2020, 08:22 AM
 
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Small town for sure.
If that counts, there are quite few other places that could fit in the Northeast and Midwest then.
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Old 08-20-2020, 09:06 AM
 
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Some for NY I can see being a fit, Sodus(village, about 15%): https://goo.gl/maps/b5aiMzAxKSURdS289

Lyons(former village, about 11%): https://goo.gl/maps/efCjDqAspvojBsyT7

Liberty(village, about 14%): https://goo.gl/maps/tjRiuAx43Juaefc2A

Ellenville(village, about 12%): https://goo.gl/maps/Lt3xaEtcrY9k5SUW8

Greenport(village, about 11%): https://goo.gl/maps/Hm13AZsWjWq5FMc99

Monticello(village of 6400, about 33%): https://goo.gl/maps/7JxCC9REzVJEqfAeA

Bridgehampton(hamlet/CDP, about 17%): https://goo.gl/maps/fLGfua3uBPYab6qh6

South Fallsburg(hamlet/CDP, about 14%, town of Fallsburg is about 16%): https://goo.gl/maps/ML2WrhZEbGgT9XoN8

Chester(village, about 17%): https://goo.gl/maps/k6Tukgx3EkUr6eU88

Albion(village, about 14%): https://goo.gl/maps/hUiB7FvvtmCWhW4D9

Catskill(village, about 22%): https://goo.gl/maps/9hVNFFZT9h8q3ZYF9

Hudson(city of 6300, about 21%, current mayor is black, known for its artsy vibe and antique scene): https://goo.gl/maps/d6U9D28LVN6FdV2Q7

I’ll stop there, but this doesn’t include other towns with smaller, but visible percentages like Medina(this former NFL player went to HS there: https://orleanshub.com/mustangs-hono...r-ernie-clark/ ), Williamson(has a couple of “black” churches, where this Howard University professor grew up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emory_Tolbert ), Clyde(where this former Kansas University Basketball Player is from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se3t...&feature=share ), LeRoy(has a “black” Baptist Church that is over 100 years old), Caledonia/Mumford(latter also has a “black” church that has been there since 1890), Coxsackie(has a long time AME Church), Chatham(also has a long time AME Church), Peterboro(an Underground Railroad community, home to Abolitionist Hall of Fame, Elizabeth Street long time black families still there), Canastota(handful of families, some with long ties came as migrant farmers, late NBA lawyer from there: https://www.canastotacsd.org/communi...rees/gary_hall ), Warwick(long time AME Zion chuch there), Ravena/Selkirk area(long time church and came to work on railroad) and a handful of others.
In terms of another Northern state, here are some from Michigan that come to mind...

Covert(in SW MI, about 22%): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2940...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Cassopolis(in SW MI, about 32%): https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9115...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Vandalia(in SW MI, about 22%): https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9171...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Baldwin(in NW MI, about 34%): https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8949...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Idlewild(in NW MI, about 19%): https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8864...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Berrien Springs(in SW MI, about 16%): https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9463...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Buchanan(in SW MI, about 15%): https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8273...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Sumpter Township(in between Detroit and Ann Arbor, about 10%): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1451...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Rural portion of Van Buren Township(in between Detroit and Ann Arbor, next to Ypsilanti, about 29%): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1820...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Rural portion of Buena Vista Township, east of Saginaw(about 60%): https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4288...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Albion(small city of 8400 in south Mid MI, about 32%): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2438...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

South Haven(a city of 4340 in SW MI, about 14%): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4031...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

I'll stop there, but there are others in MI as well.
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Old 08-21-2020, 09:55 AM
 
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Some places in OH that come to mind...

Wilberforce(58%): https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7128...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Yellow Springs(12%): https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8074...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Oberlin(14%): https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2916...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Bridgeport(across from Wheeling WV, 13%): https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0720...6!9m2!1b1!2i37
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Old 08-22-2020, 04:39 PM
 
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For PA, a lot of them may be smaller mill towns like: Aliquippa(36%): https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6163...2!9m2!1b1!2i47

Farrell(42%): https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2119...2!9m2!1b1!2i47

Monessen(11%): https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1607...2!9m2!1b1!2i47

Donora(13.5%): https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1777...6!9m2!1b1!2i47

Clairton(36%): https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2925...6!9m2!1b1!2i47

Midland(23%): https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6374...2!9m2!1b1!2i47

Some are in the Poconos as well in places like: Tobyhanna Township(12%): https://www.google.com/maps/place/To...!4d-75.5509602

Coolbaugh Township(28%): https://www.google.com/maps/place/Co...!4d-75.3878525

Tunkhannock Township(28%): https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tu...!4d-75.4577775

Jackson Township(10%): https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ja...!4d-75.3645369

There are some smaller communities around Philadelphia/SE PA and around Harrisburg/Central PA that have substantial to high percentages as well.
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Old 08-22-2020, 10:58 PM
 
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NC has only 65k rural blacks? Below Kentucky? That has to be an error. If not, that is shocking that NC black population mostly lives in the cities like that. It is surrounded by states that have at least 100k blacks in rural areas.
There are several government definitions of "rural" and it just depends on the source each state used to quantify their rural populations. One of the more restrictive definitions designates all counties outside of an MSA as rural and we know that doesn't reflect reality at all.

That said, NC has plenty of Black rural residents, particularly in eastern NC, but as you go westward across the Piedmont and certainly into the mountains, the numbers decrease steadily. I'd imagine that of NC's five largest MSAs, Raleigh probably has the largest number of Black residents in the actual rural areas and that Charlotte could possibly have the fewest which makes sense when you consider which half of the state each belongs to. SC, on the other hand, has a good bit of Black rural residents in and outside of MSA counties as much of the state is within the coastal plain/lower Piedmont (and not as much in the actual foothills and mountains) which is where rural Blacks are most concentrated in America.

https://ui.uncc.edu/pages/curc/definitions
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Old 08-23-2020, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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One rural/small town community that doesnt show up often is Nantucket, MA.

Everyone knows Marthas Vineyard is a black vacation destination. Nantucket gets seen as the white vacation destinantion, home values are 2x higher than Marthas Vineyard. Its thought of as the ultimate white paradise an in the summer it is. The whole reality is Nantucket houses far more permanent residents of color than Marthas Vineyard. The reason these number dont show up on ccensus estimates is because people move on and off the Island between there, the mainland, and Jamaica all year long for family an work. Almost all the black residents on Nantucket are Jamaican (I went to college with one of them, Randall Jette former cornerback for the Green Bay Packers was another Jamaican Nantucketer).

The Island was much less diverse in 2010 and its very hard to get good counts if its not the town itself. Today the older white residents are showing backlash/racism against the growing diversity of the Island-per this article.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/...s-second-look/

"From afar, and to the many part-time residents who spend summers on the island, Nantucket is a breeze-swept haven of lobster rolls and lighthouses, pastel clothing and multimillion-dollar mansions — a quaint, historic escape.

“I think the public’s imagination of Nantucket is probably what downtown Nantucket might look like on a given summer day,” says Julian Cyr, a state senator representing Cape Cod and the islands. “A getaway for the super rich, all of whom are very white.”

....

But the annual summer scene belies what has become an increasingly diverse year-round population. Today, as an influx of immigrants arrive from places such as Jamaica, El Salvador, and the Dominican Republic, roughly 30 percent of the island’s 11,000 full-time residents are of color, and 11 percent are Black. The shift has been particularly evident within the local school system, where in some classrooms students of color might outnumber white classmates
."

So there are about 1200 full time black Nantucket residents.

Nantucket public schools are:

54.4% White
12.2% Black
26.5% Latino
Enrollment Data (2019-20) - Nantucket High (01970505)

Hispanic growth is the primary growing group there, not Black grotwth. As recent as 2013 Nantucket Schools were

67.7% white
14.7% Black
13.0% Latino

Enrollment Data (2012-13) - Nantucket High (01970505)

As recently as 2004 Nantucket schools were 91.5% white

Enrollment Data (2003-04) - Nantucket High (01970505)
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Old 08-23-2020, 08:43 AM
 
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One rural/small town community that doesnt show up often is Nantucket, MA.

Everyone knows Marthas Vineyard is a black vacation destination. Nantucket gets seen as the white vacation destinantion, home values are 2x higher than Marthas Vineyard. Its thought of as the ultimate white paradise an in the summer it is. The whole reality is Nantucket houses far more permanent residents of color than Marthas Vineyard. The reason these number dont show up on ccensus estimates is because people move on and off the Island between there, the mainland, and Jamaica all year long for family an work. Almost all the black residents on Nantucket are Jamaican (I went to college with one of them, Randall Jette former cornerback for the Green Bay Packers was another Jamaican Nantucketer).

The Island was much less diverse in 2010 and its very hard to get good counts if its not the town itself. Today the older white residents are showing backlash/racism against the growing diversity of the Island-per this article.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/...s-second-look/

"From afar, and to the many part-time residents who spend summers on the island, Nantucket is a breeze-swept haven of lobster rolls and lighthouses, pastel clothing and multimillion-dollar mansions — a quaint, historic escape.

“I think the public’s imagination of Nantucket is probably what downtown Nantucket might look like on a given summer day,” says Julian Cyr, a state senator representing Cape Cod and the islands. “A getaway for the super rich, all of whom are very white.”

....

But the annual summer scene belies what has become an increasingly diverse year-round population. Today, as an influx of immigrants arrive from places such as Jamaica, El Salvador, and the Dominican Republic, roughly 30 percent of the island’s 11,000 full-time residents are of color, and 11 percent are Black. The shift has been particularly evident within the local school system, where in some classrooms students of color might outnumber white classmates
."

So there are about 1200 full time black Nantucket residents.

Nantucket public schools are:

54.4% White
12.2% Black
26.5% Latino
Enrollment Data (2019-20) - Nantucket High (01970505)

Hispanic growth is the primary growing group there, not Black grotwth. As recent as 2013 Nantucket Schools were

67.7% white
14.7% Black
13.0% Latino

Enrollment Data (2012-13) - Nantucket High (01970505)

As recently as 2004 Nantucket schools were 91.5% white

Enrollment Data (2003-04) - Nantucket High (01970505)
Something to even consider with the Hispanic growth, many are likely actually Black themselves or are of Black African descent, given where some are coming from.
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Old 08-23-2020, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Something to even consider with the Hispanic growth, many are likely actually Black themselves or are of Black African descent, given where some are coming from.
Sure some are the Dominicans, but I think mainly Hispanics on Nantucket come from El Salvador.

Also worth noting, after some digging I do think there are some African Americans who live on Nantucket but certainly in smaller numbers than Jamaicans. I say that because of dress/mannerisms/speech patterns I've seen or heard but you really can't tell.

https://www.ack.net/news/20190608/na...school-history


There's also significant African American History on Nantucket
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/05/...black-history/

Also the school emographics i gave earlier were in correct tose were for Nantucket High-not the district. Last year the district was

50.2% white
34.0% latino
9.8% black

http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profile...orgtypecode=6&
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Old 08-25-2020, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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There are several government definitions of "rural" and it just depends on the source each state used to quantify their rural populations. One of the more restrictive definitions designates all counties outside of an MSA as rural and we know that doesn't reflect reality at all.

That said, NC has plenty of Black rural residents, particularly in eastern NC, but as you go westward across the Piedmont and certainly into the mountains, the numbers decrease steadily. I'd imagine that of NC's five largest MSAs, Raleigh probably has the largest number of Black residents in the actual rural areas and that Charlotte could possibly have the fewest which makes sense when you consider which half of the state each belongs to. SC, on the other hand, has a good bit of Black rural residents in and outside of MSA counties as much of the state is within the coastal plain/lower Piedmont (and not as much in the actual foothills and mountains) which is where rural Blacks are most concentrated in America.

https://ui.uncc.edu/pages/curc/definitions
Officially it's Rural outside of urbanized areas which are Urban Clusters & Areas.
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