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Old 08-26-2020, 08:34 AM
 
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Officially it's Rural outside of urbanized areas which are Urban Clusters & Areas.
According to the Census Bureau, yes, but it is not the only federal agency that has an interest in defining what's considered rural. The OMB considers anything not part of an MSA to be rural for instance.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...c0a_story.html
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Old 08-26-2020, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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According to the Census Bureau, yes, but it is not the only federal agency that has an interest in defining what's considered rural. The OMB considers anything not part of an MSA to be rural for instance.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...c0a_story.html
I'm only using the Census bureau definition as an de facto determinator as does the Rural Health report.
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Old 08-26-2020, 03:18 PM
 
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This is data I've research and collected to examine the small town/rural section of the Black community. This section of the Black commumity varies by state, geography, & size. Over 5 million Blacks resides in these type of places nationwide with around 92% located in the South and consisting of 8+% of small town/rural america overall. All of this info is base on the 2010 census & will be updated officially with 2020 later. Posters still can add dates with stats in between the census years. Source: http://www.ruralhome.org/storage/res...OygymUcIRAK1pI , 2010 census bureau , Math ( estimates on percantages is not approximate LoL)

1.Small town & rural Black population by state
2. % of state small town/rural pop
3. % of Black pop which lives in small town/rural locales
Regions correlates with Black geographic distribution overall.*

South
GA - 623K / 25.8% / 21.1%
MS - 589K / 39.2% / 53.6%
SC - 566K / 36.4% / 43.9%
AL - 428K / 21.9% / 34.2%
LA - 376K / 31% / 25%
VA - 336K / 17.1% / 21.6%
TX - 296K / 7.7% / 10%
FL - 214K / 12.9% / 7.1%
AR - 177K/ 13.9% / 39.4%
TN - 142K / 6.7% / 13.5%
MD - 108K / 14.7% / 3%
KY - 70K / 3.9% / 19.5%
NC - 65K / 20.4% / 3.2%
OK - 44K / 3.5% / 16%
WV - 26K / 2.8% / 42.2%
DE - 20K / 13.8% / 10.7%

Midwest
OH - 56K / 2.2% / 4%
MO - 54K / 3.1% / 7.7%
IL - 53K / 3.6% / 2.8%
MI - 52K / 2.1% / 3.7%
IN - 23K / 1.3% / 3.9%
KA - 20K / 2.8% / 12.3%
MN - 14K / 1% / 5.2%
WI - 11K / 0.7% / 3.3%
IA - 10K / 1% / 12.3%
ND - 1.8K / 0.7% / 13%
SD - 1.7K / 0.5% / 16.7%
NE - 294 / 0.6% / 0.35%

Northeast
NJ - 85K / 18.2% / 7.1%
PE - 78K / 2.9% / 5.7%
NY - 72K / 3.1% / 23.7%
MA - 13K / 2.6% / 2.5%
CT - 10K / 2.5% / 3%
ME - 4K / 0.5% / 25.5%
NH - 3K / 0.6% / 20.7%
VT - 2K / 0.6% / 35.1 %
RI - 880 / 0.9% / 1.1%

West
CA - 48K / 2.6% / 2.1%
AZ - 12K / 1.9% / 4.8%
WA - 9K / 0.9% / 4%
NM - 6.9K / 1.5% / 16.3%
CO - 6.9k / 1% / 3.4%
AK - 3.1K / 1.3% / 13.4%
NV - 3.1K / 2% / 1.2%
OR - 2.9K / 0.4% / 4.2%
ID - 1.8K / 0.4% / 18.4%
UT - 1K / 0.4% / 3.5%
WY - 794 / 0.4% / 16.7%
HI - 550 / 0.5% / 2.6%
In Missouri, I would say that some small towns in the Bootheel like Charleston, New Madrid and Sikeston are a few places in that region with pretty high percentages. Some of the towns in central MO can have visible/decent percentages as well.

In West Virginia, in McDowell, Raleigh, Mercer, Greenbrier, Fayette, Mingo and Logan counties in southern WV and some in the Eastern Panhandle, Kanawha Valley nad maybe a couple in North Central part of the state will have at least a relatively visible black population. I'm thinking of places like Northfork, Maybeury, Kimball, Gary, Bramwell, Welch, Rand, Institute, Mount Hope, Boomer, Smithers, Montgomery, Charles Town, Shepherdstown, Lester, Ranson, Piedmont, Omar, Williamson, Mount Gay, Grant Town, Monongah, etc.
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Old 08-27-2020, 11:29 AM
 
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Some for NY I can see being a fit, Sodus(village, about 15%): https://goo.gl/maps/b5aiMzAxKSURdS289

Lyons(former village, about 11%): https://goo.gl/maps/efCjDqAspvojBsyT7

Liberty(village, about 14%): https://goo.gl/maps/tjRiuAx43Juaefc2A

Ellenville(village, about 12%): https://goo.gl/maps/Lt3xaEtcrY9k5SUW8

Greenport(village, about 11%): https://goo.gl/maps/Hm13AZsWjWq5FMc99

Monticello(village of 6400, about 33%): https://goo.gl/maps/7JxCC9REzVJEqfAeA

Bridgehampton(hamlet/CDP, about 17%): https://goo.gl/maps/fLGfua3uBPYab6qh6

South Fallsburg(hamlet/CDP, about 14%, town of Fallsburg is about 16%): https://goo.gl/maps/ML2WrhZEbGgT9XoN8

Chester(village, about 17%): https://goo.gl/maps/k6Tukgx3EkUr6eU88

Albion(village, about 14%): https://goo.gl/maps/hUiB7FvvtmCWhW4D9

Catskill(village, about 22%): https://goo.gl/maps/9hVNFFZT9h8q3ZYF9

Hudson(city of 6300, about 21%, current mayor is black, known for its artsy vibe and antique scene): https://goo.gl/maps/d6U9D28LVN6FdV2Q7

I’ll stop there, but this doesn’t include other towns with smaller, but visible percentages like Medina(this former NFL player went to HS there: https://orleanshub.com/mustangs-hono...r-ernie-clark/ ), Williamson(has a couple of “black” churches, where this Howard University professor grew up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emory_Tolbert ), Clyde(where this former Kansas University Basketball Player is from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se3t...&feature=share ), LeRoy(has a “black” Baptist Church that is over 100 years old), Caledonia/Mumford(latter also has a “black” church that has been there since 1890), Coxsackie(has a long time AME Church), Chatham(also has a long time AME Church), Peterboro(an Underground Railroad community, home to Abolitionist Hall of Fame, Elizabeth Street long time black families still there), Canastota(handful of families, some with long ties came as migrant farmers, late NBA lawyer from there: https://www.canastotacsd.org/communi...rees/gary_hall ), Warwick(long time AME Zion chuch there), Ravena/Selkirk area(long time church and came to work on railroad) and a handful of others.
Some street views of some of the other communities mentioned...

Medina: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2203...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Williamson: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2239...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Clyde: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0831...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

LeRoy: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9777...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Mumford: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9924...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Coxsackie: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3517...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Chatham: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cr...!4d-73.5956087

Peterboro: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9673...4!9m2!1b1!2i37

Canastota: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0785...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Warwick: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2564...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Ravena: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4719...6!9m2!1b1!2i37
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Old 08-27-2020, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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After viewing all of those places on the street level I can confirm that there's broad similarities ( architecture & infrastructure wise) to small town usa ( vice versa for big city isa). Any of them especially Warwick, Chatham, or Medina could pass for a small town/city in Mississippi.
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Old 08-30-2020, 12:22 AM
 
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Ohio has very little small town blacks, but it has a ton of rural blacks, if that makes any sense.

What im saying is that even in "urban" areas, you'll find a lot on the outskirts of them... Trotwood near Dayton, Copley near Akron, Twinsburg Heights/township near Cleveland/Akron. Then go to the smaller industrial cities and usually the "black" neighborhoods are more located in the outer areas.

Ohio may only technically have like 2 percent of the black population in defined rural areas, but some of these smaller towns that are even 10 plus percent black, the majority seem to be pretty rural to me, almost Southern like (though I'm coming from Cleveland where the black population is very urban/suburban).

I'm guessing the defined rural blacks in Ohio are almost all in Southeast (Appalachian) Ohio. Yeah, they are both small town and rural, right down to the twang (Randy Moss, football player look him up if you want to hear what im talking about... he's from West Virginia but its the same dialect).
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Old 08-31-2020, 08:06 AM
 
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Ohio has very little small town blacks, but it has a ton of rural blacks, if that makes any sense.

What im saying is that even in "urban" areas, you'll find a lot on the outskirts of them... Trotwood near Dayton, Copley near Akron, Twinsburg Heights/township near Cleveland/Akron. Then go to the smaller industrial cities and usually the "black" neighborhoods are more located in the outer areas.

Ohio may only technically have like 2 percent of the black population in defined rural areas, but some of these smaller towns that are even 10 plus percent black, the majority seem to be pretty rural to me, almost Southern like (though I'm coming from Cleveland where the black population is very urban/suburban).

I'm guessing the defined rural blacks in Ohio are almost all in Southeast (Appalachian) Ohio. Yeah, they are both small town and rural, right down to the twang (Randy Moss, football player look him up if you want to hear what im talking about... he's from West Virginia but its the same dialect).
A place like Wilberforce would definitely fit. I believe there is a community near Toledo that is pretty rural as well. I want to say that it is Spencer Township: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sp...!4d-83.7730237

https://spencertownship.org/elected-officials/

Census Block Group 009400-1 in Lucas County, Ohio

so, there are some places here and there across the state that could fit the definition of rural.
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Old 08-31-2020, 10:35 PM
 
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A place like Wilberforce would definitely fit. I believe there is a community near Toledo that is pretty rural as well. I want to say that it is Spencer Township: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sp...!4d-83.7730237

https://spencertownship.org/elected-officials/

Census Block Group 009400-1 in Lucas County, Ohio

so, there are some places here and there across the state that could fit the definition of rural.
Spencer Township looks a lot like the areas I mentioned in that its a rural area located within a metro. Pretty much all the major metros have a couple places like that.

Wilberforce is probably the closest but its like a stone's throw away from Xenia that is a decent sized older city. ... and also in the Dayton metro. Plus, probably 90 percent of the population is students at Central State/Wilberforce who are originally from one of the metros.

But you go to the true rural areas and Ohio is as about as white as it gets, lol, even within the small towns (5,000 or less). I can only think of one that I remember seeing a significant black population and that is Windham, which is technically still in the Akron metro but its really the middle of nowhere (and actually a lot closer to Warren than it is to Akron). But Windham is overwhelmingly white (it has like 3 streets and then, compared to the rest of the town, a decent sized public housing project). It may be about 10 percent black/mixed. I drove through there one time and at least noticed seeing quite a few black people.

If you go over 5,000 (which is how Ohio separates cities from villages), there are a couple more ... Oberlin is one (though technically Cleveland metro and relatively close to Elyria). Fremont and Fostoria are out in nowhere and they have decent black populations, but probably 99 percent within city limits (once you leave those limits it goes straight to farms). There are probably a couple others. Its splitting hairs because 4 percent is still a tiny amount, but i figured it would be less than 1 percent for Ohio.

With that, like I said before, Ohio does have a lot of rural blacks, IMO, but it's mostly on the skirts of the metros and those areas got swallowed into suburban sprawl.
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Old 10-07-2020, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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I was looking at the micropolitan's core of the small town black pop for the Sipp. Roughly 34% of the Black community constitute these cores which doesn't include the other communities within the micropolitan area.

The overall small town & rural numbers : Sipp - 589K

Micropolitan cores combined pop: Sipp - 198K
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Old 10-09-2020, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Houston(Screwston),TX
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This is data I've research and collected to examine the small town/rural section of the Black community. This section of the Black commumity varies by state, geography, & size. Over 5 million Blacks resides in these type of places nationwide with around 92% located in the South and consisting of 8+% of small town/rural america overall. All of this info is base on the 2010 census & will be updated officially with 2020 later. Posters still can add dates with stats in between the census years. Source: http://www.ruralhome.org/storage/res...OygymUcIRAK1pI , 2010 census bureau , Math ( estimates on percantages is not approximate LoL)

1.Small town & rural Black population by state
2. % of state small town/rural pop
3. % of Black pop which lives in small town/rural locales
Regions correlates with Black geographic distribution overall.*

South
GA - 623K / 25.8% / 21.1%
MS - 589K / 39.2% / 53.6%
SC - 566K / 36.4% / 43.9%
AL - 428K / 21.9% / 34.2%
LA - 376K / 31% / 25%
VA - 336K / 17.1% / 21.6%
TX - 296K / 7.7% / 10%
FL - 214K / 12.9% / 7.1%
AR - 177K/ 13.9% / 39.4%
TN - 142K / 6.7% / 13.5%
MD - 108K / 14.7% / 3%
KY - 70K / 3.9% / 19.5%
NC - 65K / 20.4% / 3.2%
OK - 44K / 3.5% / 16%
WV - 26K / 2.8% / 42.2%
DE - 20K / 13.8% / 10.7%

Midwest
OH - 56K / 2.2% / 4%
MO - 54K / 3.1% / 7.7%
IL - 53K / 3.6% / 2.8%
MI - 52K / 2.1% / 3.7%
IN - 23K / 1.3% / 3.9%
KA - 20K / 2.8% / 12.3%
MN - 14K / 1% / 5.2%
WI - 11K / 0.7% / 3.3%
IA - 10K / 1% / 12.3%
ND - 1.8K / 0.7% / 13%
SD - 1.7K / 0.5% / 16.7%
NE - 294 / 0.6% / 0.35%

Northeast
NJ - 85K / 18.2% / 7.1%
PE - 78K / 2.9% / 5.7%
NY - 72K / 3.1% / 23.7%
MA - 13K / 2.6% / 2.5%
CT - 10K / 2.5% / 3%
ME - 4K / 0.5% / 25.5%
NH - 3K / 0.6% / 20.7%
VT - 2K / 0.6% / 35.1 %
RI - 880 / 0.9% / 1.1%

West
CA - 48K / 2.6% / 2.1%
AZ - 12K / 1.9% / 4.8%
WA - 9K / 0.9% / 4%
NM - 6.9K / 1.5% / 16.3%
CO - 6.9k / 1% / 3.4%
AK - 3.1K / 1.3% / 13.4%
NV - 3.1K / 2% / 1.2%
OR - 2.9K / 0.4% / 4.2%
ID - 1.8K / 0.4% / 18.4%
UT - 1K / 0.4% / 3.5%
WY - 794 / 0.4% / 16.7%
HI - 550 / 0.5% / 2.6%
I can believe those Missouri and Oklahoma numbers. Only time I’ve driven outside the south was going to St.Louis from Dallas. Had to drive through Oklahoma through what felt like the entire state of Missouri. And because of bad weather we had to drive through a lot of small towns and rural areas.

Outside of stopping in Tulsa I barely saw any Black people till we made it to St.Louis.

Haven’t made plenty of road trips from Eastern TX to Louisiana or Atlanta I’m using to seeing Black people at pretty much every stop. Bit of a culture shock.
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