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OKC, especially Edmond. Mild winters, sunny climate, and hot but not too humid. Low state income tax and very low property taxes, as well as affordable, high quality new construction. Roads have potholes, but there's an enormous network of freeways so you can get anywhere in the OKC area very fast. Only 90 minutes from Tulsa and three hours from DFW, both very doable weekend trips. When Dallas gets too expensive people who are priced out are going to come to OKC. Edmond, in particular, has two high schools that rank within the top 500 in the nation, above even many good schools in DFW and in Southern California. OKCs downtown also feels impressive for a metro area of only 1.3 million. The metro area is truly one of the only metro areas above one million that are still center right.
To me, OKC was officially discovered when the city demonstrated it could support a major league pro sports franchise on an ongoing basis. That was the exclamation point that followed years of infrastructure, cultural, and commercial investments to make the city more livable and appealing to new residents and businesses.
OKC, especially Edmond. Mild winters, sunny climate, and hot but not too humid. Low state income tax and very low property taxes, as well as affordable, high quality new construction. Roads have potholes, but there's an enormous network of freeways so you can get anywhere in the OKC area very fast. Only 90 minutes from Tulsa and three hours from DFW, both very doable weekend trips. When Dallas gets too expensive people who are priced out are going to come to OKC. Edmond, in particular, has two high schools that rank within the top 500 in the nation, above even many good schools in DFW and in Southern California. OKCs downtown also feels impressive for a metro area of only 1.3 million. The metro area is truly one of the only metro areas above one million that are still center right.
OKC feels like a baby version of DFW to me. But I think the biggest challenge for a place like OKC is to provide enough of a white collar job market to make it a feasible alternative to DFW or Austin for younger professionals. The perception is that the economy depends on natural resource extraction and related jobs only.
In another thread, I speculated that Cheyenne might see growth from overflow from Fort Collins and Denver. I think it will happen, but will probably take some years.
OKC feels like a baby version of DFW to me. But I think the biggest challenge for a place like OKC is to provide enough of a white collar job market to make it a feasible alternative to DFW or Austin for younger professionals. The perception is that the economy depends on natural resource extraction and related jobs only.
Well, there is a 5000 dollar Oklahoma tax credit for those in the aerospace industry. Dell has an office in OKC. There's engineering work around Tinker AFB.
If OKC could be like Tulsa and offer money for anyone moving to OKC for remote work, they could really capitalize on the post Covid coastal exodus.
And yes, OKC is culturally and climatically similar to DFW. I always joke that Oklahoma is to Texas as Canada is to America. Oklahoma is similar to Texas just like how Canada is similar to America, but both Oklahoma and Canada are the younger, quieter, smaller (in population) cousins to their loud, big, and proud neighbors to the south.
Well, there is a 5000 dollar Oklahoma tax credit for those in the aerospace industry. Dell has an office in OKC. There's engineering work around Tinker AFB.
If OKC could be like Tulsa and offer money for anyone moving to OKC for remote work, they could really capitalize on the post Covid coastal exodus.
And yes, OKC is culturally and climatically similar to DFW. I always joke that Oklahoma is to Texas as Canada is to America. Oklahoma is similar to Texas just like how Canada is similar to America, but both Oklahoma and Canada are the younger, quieter, smaller (in population) cousins to their loud, big, and proud neighbors to the south.
I have a friend who lives in Tulsa, kid goes to Jenks, which is one of the best academic and football schools. He pays pennies compared to what I pay in OC.
How's the diversity in Oklahoma? DFW is very diverse.
I have a friend who lives in Tulsa, kid goes to Jenks, which is one of the best academic and football schools. He pays pennies compared to what I pay in OC.
How's the diversity in Oklahoma? DFW is very diverse.
OKC is a lot less diverse than DFW, but Oklahoma has more American Indians than Texas per capita. Every other minority, seems to be less per capita.
Kind of like how Canada is similar to America except its more white and actually has more Natives per capita. Same thing with Oklahoma, similar to Texas but more white.
I have a friend who lives in Tulsa, kid goes to Jenks, which is one of the best academic and football schools. He pays pennies compared to what I pay in OC.
How's the diversity in Oklahoma? DFW is very diverse.
In another thread, I speculated that Cheyenne might see growth from overflow from Fort Collins and Denver. I think it will happen, but will probably take some years.
Cheyenne has a handful of issues that will keep it from becoming an exurb of Northern Colorado.
Location - It's not close enough to Fort Collins or Denver to be reliably commutable. The airport is rinky-dink. You have to drive to Denver to get to an airport of considerable size. Of the big cities along the I-25 corridor in Wyoming, Cheyenne has the least-impressive views. It definitely feels like more of a plains city than Denver or Fort Collins. The Laramie Mountains are nearby, but they're only 7,500-10,000', and the westerly approach to them is gradual. You can't even see mountains from most places in Cheyenne. Wyoming is also a very conservative state that isn't exactly known for putting out the welcome mat. The natives tend to be very provincial and leery of outsiders.
Climate - Cheyenne's climate is similar to Fort Collins, but it's a little harsher in the winter. Cheyenne is a very windy city, and blizzards and road closures are common in the winter. Between black ice and ground blizzards, the major roads leading into Northern Colorado (I-25 and US-85) can be total sh*tshows in the winter. For that reason alone, I wouldn't recommend daily commuting between Cheyenne and Fort Collins or Greeley to my worst enemy.
Economy - Wyoming's economy is not diverse at all. It's almost exclusively dependent upon tourism and resource extraction (primarily coal and O&G).
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