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My daughter went to college in Odessa Texas, traveled all over TX, AR, OK, NM for college volleyball and she returned full of southern charm and loved that polite, old-fashioned culture...especially the charming men .
She sees nothing southern in Nevada or California, although the ranching communities are more to her taste as far as attitudes and men lol....she laments the 'California attitude' of the younger generation here, specifically the young men :/
Thank you for your input, Chris. Native Nevadans are, perhaps, the rarest breed of Americans, so it is good to know there is at least one on City-Data. Also, it seems as if your daughter is doing exceptionally well, which is a testament to your parenting, so congratulations on that.
I was surprised to learn that a significant share of Nevada residents, whom I presume are native to the state, claim Italian as their primary ancestry, especially in the northern half of the state. Interestingly, in 1910, the largest immigrant group living in Nevada was Italian. I suspect U.S. Representative Mark Amodei is an example of a native Nevadan with Italian ancestry.
California. I have yet to meet a Black native whose folks aren't either from Texas or Louisiana...
California is 5.5% black. Gotta look at the other 94.5%
I'd say Arizona.
didn't Cali receive mostly midwesterners from places like Kansas and Nebraska? California is its own place, even off the coast. Its like a country.
Nevada is "Nevada" Dune buggies, sunglasses, flip flops, laid back, pro-business. It's a mix of California aesthetic, culture, and southern values and it leans heavily towards California.
Arizona is most conservative, white and has a more established history than Nevada. It seems to have most uncommon with SEC country. Just the vibe.
California is 5.5% black. Gotta look at the other 94.5%
I'd say Arizona.
didn't Cali receive mostly midwesterners from places like Kansas and Nebraska? California is its own place, even off the coast. Its like a country.
Nevada is "Nevada" Dune buggies, sunglasses, flip flops, laid back, pro-business. It's a mix of California aesthetic, culture, and southern values and it leans heavily towards California.
Arizona is most conservative, white and has a more established history than Nevada. It seems to have most uncommon with SEC country. Just the vibe.
Arizona is 3.3% non-Hispanic black, which is even less than California. There really isn't a centralized "black" part of Arizona to my knowledge.
I guess Arizona would be the most southern because it's geographically closest to the south, but I've seen very little of it in my visits there. The place is mostly California, Midwest, and Northeast transplants. \
I think historically, California has brought in more southerners throughout history. Even though that's probably overshadowed in modern times. I suppose AZ's politics as a state are most alike to the south between the three, but that's about all I can see.
Thank you for your input, Chris. Native Nevadans are, perhaps, the rarest breed of Americans, so it is good to know there is at least one on City-Data. Also, it seems as if your daughter is doing exceptionally well, which is a testament to your parenting, so congratulations on that.
I was surprised to learn that a significant share of Nevada residents, whom I presume are native to the state, claim Italian as their primary ancestry, especially in the northern half of the state. Interestingly, in 1910, the largest immigrant group living in Nevada was Italian. I suspect U.S. Representative Mark Amodei is an example of a native Nevadan with Italian ancestry.
Ha ha! I know right? Native Nevadans are pretty rare... in my age group anyway....
My ancestry is French/English and all my family are Canadian here in the US, except for me. Although I did obtain Canadian citizenship just for fun a few years ago.
I didn't know about the Italian ancestry! Basque, American Indian, Canadian, German, Hispanic and Californian with some New Yorkers thrown in are the ancestries I am most familiar with in this area ha ha! Now that I think about some of the names of big ranches around here and names of museums and parks...there definitely is quite a few very Italian names associated with them....
Thanks for the links, I will look into the Italian angle more.
As far as southern influence...my daughter came back from college a more polite person....uses y'all liberally in speaking, wears cowboy boots and listens to country music. More so than I, who worked on the dude ranches here growing up...I highly recommend sending your kids to a southern college
Arizona is 3.3% non-Hispanic black, which is even less than California. There really isn't a centralized "black" part of Arizona to my knowledge.
I guess Arizona would be the most southern because it's geographically closest to the south, but I've seen very little of it in my visits there. The place is mostly California, Midwest, and Northeast transplants. \
I think historically, California has brought in more southerners throughout history. Even though that's probably overshadowed in modern times. I suppose AZ's politics as a state are most alike to the south between the three, but that's about all I can see.
It's actually 4.4% and if we're using the black population as a metric at all (really shouldn't be the case for any of these states), it should be Nevada which is much blacker (9.3%) than CA and AZ anyway. Many of them are by way of CA though.
Californias brought in more of everybody. Its California. It has much more of a layered and elaborate cultural template that doesn't let any one or two influences predominate.
A large percentage of Californians have Oklahoma and Texas roots, whether they are Southern or not is a different debate.
I would venture to guess a majority of non-Hispanic Caucasians in Bakersfield have Oklahoma or Texas roots.
Arizona is my opinion has far, far, far more Midwestern influence and does feel Southern at all.
Arizona does not feel like it has a Southern influence at all, a majority of people I have known in Arizona have Midwestern roots and some from the West Coast. In my years in Arizona, I met very few Southerners.
Nevada doesn't feel Southern at all in my opinion. Reno feels very Northern.
And for that matter, Odessa and Midland? I know one guy from Odessa and he is just as Southern as the people I've met from Houston.
The culture in Odessa/Midland is very different from the kind of classic Southern culture you see in Louisiana, Mississippi or South Carolina. The entire vibe of West Texas, including the landscape, cuisine, etc is more Western than Southern. Some people even say the West begins at Fort Worth. Culturally Odessa is very different than Baton Rouge, Charleston or Birmingham.
The culture in Odessa/Midland is very different from the kind of classic Southern culture you see in Louisiana, Mississippi or South Carolina. The entire vibe of West Texas, including the landscape, cuisine, etc is more Western than Southern. Some people even say the West begins at Fort Worth. Culturally Odessa is very different than Baton Rouge, Charleston or Birmingham.
While that may be true, you could also argue that Charleston and Savannah are from different from Atlanta, Birmingham and Charlotte from a cultural standpoint (i.e., Lowcountry vs. Piedmont). The northern Florida cities of Jacksonville, Pensacola and Tallahassee are a whole 'nother animal, in my opinion; those cities are Southern in terms of demographics, economics, politics, etc., but have none of the soft cultural elements of the true South, such as genteelness, kindness or neighborliness, for example.
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