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There are areas outside the Beltway in Houston that are conservative to the extreme. League City making a proactive statement that they would not allow refugee children to live in their community (even though no one had even proposed it), or the multiple school prayer issues in Santa Fe come to mind. League City, Santa Fe, and Alvin went 80% for Trump.
And I think only one, maybe two Dallas area counties went to Biden. Trump won the rest.
I feel like it's underrated that Boston is a top 5 metro for Haitians, Dominicans, Vietnamese folks and THE foremost destination for folks of Cape Verdean descent. There are neighborhoods in the city dominated by people of varying Caribbean origin (Bajan, Rican, Jamaican).
I'd love to see the data of the top 50 metros in the US and how they voted.
Never seen that, especially not here.
It has happened plenty of times.
There have been a multitude of threads of the most conservative cities with Dallas and Houston being listed. There have been zero threads of most liberal cities with Dallas and Houston normally listed as choices.
by metro
Dallas and Houston went to Biden but barely over 50%. Both are up from 2016 though.
by city
Dallas went to Biden by 69.7%
Houston went to Biden by 63.9% which is interesting seeing as how that covers 599 sq miles. I say that because the turnout map shows this for Harris County: https://chronpremium.carto.com/build...09ffb24f/embed
I am confident that over 70% of the area inside beltway 8 went to Biden. I am also confident that the inner loop went to Biden by even a higher percentage. Houston proper and Dallas proper being solidly conservative or being heavily republican is the one that is exaggerated. Dallas County is quickly catching up to Travis County
My issue with New England being Rust belt is that it’s industry was different. It declined thru the Great Depression and died off post WWII. The Rustbelt was thriving thru the mid 60s. So while Cleveland, Milwaukee, Buffalo, Toledo and Pittsburgh all deindustrialised together. Lowell, Worcester, Providence, Augusta were already 25+ years into deindustrialization. Second Soithern New England is very different demographically. Cleveland, Toledo and Buffalo are very black and white. Hartford, Lowell and Providence are more diverse with tons of immigrants.
Economical stagnet does not equal Rustbelt. Same reason I don’t consider Rochester, NY rust belt. It’s decline happened too late. In the late 90s early aughts with Kodak and Xerox’s decline.
At least in terms of Buffalo, there is a substantial Hispanic population and there a big refugee resettlement community on the city's West Side. There a relatively visible Native American community in that area as well.
I know that there are communities in the Cleveland metro area with high Hispanic populations as well(Lorain, Painesville, etc.).
To pivot real quick, in terms of Syracuse, it is not a college town. It is a mid sized/smaller legacy city with a college town area that is the 5th biggest city in NY State(metro is actually 6th).
Also, there are multiple colleges/universities within the city(Le Moyne College, SUNY-ESF and SUNY Upstate Medical University) and not just one big university.
Instead of "exaggerated" could I offer up a "downplayed"?
New England usually doesn't get included in definitions of "the Rust Belt", when it probably should. There's a lot of post-industrial blight and decay that generally gets ignored in the face of the history or the cutesy, tourist towns.
Huge fan of this post. My brother went to grad school at UMass-Lowell and was entirely naive about what Lowell was like...he had this 'idealized New England' vision in his mind when in actuality it was comparable to certain not-so-nice places near Buffalo, where we're from. He actually ended up dropping out, in no small part because he didn't like Lowell itself.
Take it from one who spent six summers there: When they talk about how "hot" it is, they are not just talking about the *heat*., they are also talking about the...(altogether now), *humidity*!
Heat index/wind chill should become our standard 'unit of measurement' for weather conditions rather than temperature...'what it feels like' is the most important consideration.
My issue with New England being Rust belt is that it’s industry was different. It declined thru the Great Depression and died off post WWII. The Rustbelt was thriving thru the mid 60s. So while Cleveland, Milwaukee, Buffalo, Toledo and Pittsburgh all deindustrialised together. Lowell, Worcester, Providence, Augusta were already 25+ years into deindustrialization. Second Soithern New England is very different demographically. Cleveland, Toledo and Buffalo are very black and white. Hartford, Lowell and Providence are more diverse with tons of immigrants.
Economical stagnet does not equal Rustbelt. Same reason I don’t consider Rochester, NY rust belt. It’s decline happened too late. In the late 90s early aughts with Kodak and Xerox’s decline.
Huge fan of this post. My brother went to grad school at UMass-Lowell and was entirely naive about what Lowell was like...he had this 'idealized New England' vision in his mind when in actuality it was comparable to certain not-so-nice places near Buffalo, where we're from. He actually ended up dropping out, in no small part because he didn't like Lowell itself.
Most of Massachusetts outside the nicer Greater Boston suburbs feel more like Lowell. This idealized New England town center charm mainly exists in Boston suburbs with home prices over a million dollars and most of the quaint stores in those town centers aren't worth going into more than once. They mostly consist of real estate firms, pilates yoga, a funeral home and some antique store or art gallery. The lucky ones have a couple greasy diners/brunch places.
Most of Massachusetts outside the nicer Greater Boston suburbs feel more like Lowell. This idealized New England town center charm mainly exists in Boston suburbs with home prices over a million dollars and most of the quaint stores in those town centers aren't worth going into more than once. They mostly consist of real estate firms, pilates yoga, a funeral home and some antique store or art gallery. The lucky ones have a couple greasy diners/brunch places.
And not a lie was told.
But seriously those little town centers people from all over the country idolize literally consist of an antique shop, a quaint CVS, 3 banks, a stationary store and some Greek pizza. They’re not even remotely practical or engaging 9/10 times.
Usually all closed is by 730pm. If it’s a rough town that’s when all the junkies and dealers etc. come out.. swap out the antique store for a MetroPCS and the stations try store with a bodega and voila-Southbridge MA
Most of Massachusetts outside the nicer Greater Boston suburbs feel more like Lowell.
This is more than a bit exaggerated. Places like Barre, North Adams, Hadley, Monson, Great Barrington etc. are way less rust-belty than Lowell. Not to say that western and central MA don’t have their Lowells (hello Southbridge, Holyoke, and Pittsfield).
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And not a lie was told. .. swap out the antique store for a MetroPCS and the stations try store with a bodega and voila-Southbridge MA
Bwahaha! Yeah
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