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Old 12-17-2020, 12:30 PM
 
Location: 78745
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You’re probably right. I have no clue about blues or how popular it is or isn’t but I do know it doesn’t have mainstream success. Far as I can tell blues hasn’t been intellectualized to the extent of Jazz and thus it’s appeal is a bit more narrow perhaps. More regionalized.
You probably never heard good blues. It's a uniquely American genre of music. Blues is said to be the mother of rock and roll. If there had been no blues, there never would have been rock and roll. If you have Sirius XM Satelite radio, there's a blues channel, called "Bluesville", you might wanna check it out sometime.

I never got into jazz for the reason you mentioned. I've tried several times, been to few jazz clubs and bought a few jazz albums thru out my life, but I never been able to connect with it. The word you used is "intellectualized" but the word I would use to describe jazz is "snooty".
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Old 12-17-2020, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Ive spent a lot of time researching Chicago's history and I used to live there. As a disclaimer, its actually my favorite city in the US but I love it despite its flaws. However, its race relations are extremely poor for such a progressive city. While the segregation may be getting better, its still a big issue.

It didnt get that way overnight. Chicago was a perfect example of corruption and failures in public housing gone bad where the effects still linger today. When many black people moved there in during the great migration, the idea was the public housing could be set up in the suburbs and those kids could go to good schools and live in bungalow style housing. The problem was the white people in Chicago didnt like living next to black people anymore than they did in Alabama or Mississippi. So they threw a fit and everything got forced back into the city. Because land was more expensive in the city they had to be thrown into high rises which the crooked as hell CHA neglected and eventually took bribes from gangs to be left alone.

I get that things are much better and the city and its residents have made legitimate effort. However, the legacy still lives on. Thats how the segregation got so bad, what fueled the corruption, how the black/white income gap got so astronomically large, and a huge reason crime became what it was in sections of the city. You couldnt script a better foundation for long lasting systematic racism.

That said, Im more ignorant of Boston's history here. It may indeed be worse, I dont know.
Boston is not as residentially segregated as Chicago no. But it's much more culturally whitewashed and stratified. There are a lot of diverse neighborhoods in Boston but not many diverse social circles. Diverse social circles become less and less the higher up the social strata-people tend to segregate as they go upwards in Boston which I think is different in Boston. And the upper-middle class in MA is very white. Within Boston, the city itself id say most black people don't have many if nay whit people on their street or block.

There arent vast seas of blackness in Boston or really vast seas of whiteness it's more about who is attracted into downtown/central areas, white people.

Obviously, Boston did have a long period of legalized segregation (in some forms until 1977) and illegal segregation (that didn't end until the late 80s early 90s). Redlining, blockbusting etc al happened in Boston same as Bmore or Chicago. Unique to Boston was its main surge of blacks from the south was very late, and short 1960-1965. During which it was one of the top destinations for black people. My grandmother and mother arrived in 1962.
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Old 12-17-2020, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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Biscuit_head did bring up a very interesting point. What separates Alabama from Mississippi is Huntsville. Birmingham might be a lot larger but its demographically very similar to being a huge Jackson. Huntsville has a lot of white collar jobs and high paying jobs. There really isnt an answer for that in Mississippi.
The larger (and higher amenity) version of Jackson would be Memphis, not Birmingham. They are both on or close to the Mississippi River with relatively flat topography. Birmingham is in the Appalachian foothills and much hillier. Memphis and Jackson have some of the highest black population percentages of all US metro areas, well above Birmingham's level.

I would say that within Alabama, Birmingham and Huntsville have rather complementary strengths that do not overlap much but both help pull the state quite a few notches ahead of Mississippi on most metrics. Alabama and Mississippi are more even if those two metro areas are excluded.

I do not think Mississippi deserves to be hated by any means. The state deserves credit for the significant progress it has made over the past several decades, and has played a very important role in the civil rights movement. With that said, Louisiana and Mississippi are the only two Southern states that have no locations among the areas where I would prefer to live. These two states generally have weaker economies and fewer amenities (mountains, particularly attractive coastal areas, prosperous modern metros, high tech economic sectors), and with some exceptions, are more culturally insular than other parts of the South.
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Old 12-17-2020, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Northeast
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I dont think its cool-its just "Missipi is racist" but isn't "F Mississippi"

So i wouldn't say there's this visceral hate. It's more indifferent and just expected.

Also, black people in particular don't dislike Mississippi the way they do Boston.
Eh? A lot of Blacks I know in the Northeast view Mississippi and Alabama as backwards states full of anti-Black racists.

I'm not saying I agree with this sentiment but that's how many people I know, including friends of mine from other parts of the South, view Mississippi. I rarely hear Mississippi get spoken about in a positive light.

Georgia, Virginia, The Carolinas, New Orleans, and Texas get spoken about in a much better way from my experience as far as the South goes.
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Old 12-17-2020, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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I have always enjoyed my trips to Mississippi. But as far as being scenic with breathtaking views that makes people say "wow!", Mississippi is the least scenic of all the Southern states, and one of the least scenic states in the country. Scenic wise, it probably ranks with Indiana and Iowa among the states.
There's scenic areas in the state just depends on what your looking for or run come across.
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Old 12-17-2020, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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You’re probably right. I have no clue about blues or how popular it is or isn’t but I do know it doesn’t have mainstream success. Far as I can tell blues hasn’t been intellectualized to the extent of Jazz and thus it’s appeal is a bit more narrow perhaps. More regionalized.
There's so much replies that i just going to start here and earlier comment you stated.

Look back at the early Boston Hip Hop scene in it's infancy ( & NYC ) and comb through your playlist samples. Eventually you'll get to a Blues/Soul joint. Hip Hop being base on urban black communities tend to vacuum in our generation & the ones behind us. Blues being a legacy black genre and roughly 100 years older went through it's prime and is set in stone. There's young cats that still keeping it fresh like popular ex: Christone "Kingfish" Ingram ( 21 y.o) with excellent skills on the guitar.

The " Golden Nugget (s)" part:

My state falls in with many other states that doesn't have a large metros ( 1 Million) which I'd imagine constitutes to the C-D forum " sizable" places. Jackson metro is still a mid size metro. You pick a right terminology (imo) as the state is full of nuggets ( small cities) with a somewhat regional distinctions. There is much curious sights to see if you had someone to properly display it in mainstream media. The catch is size & distance of these places. I don't think people grasp how spreadout the state's geography ; about 5 hrs from northern region to the coast & 3 n halfish across.

It's basically an adventure to travel throughout the state. There's multiple festivals by the seasons, concerts, films, & other entertainment venues. I know biscuit head mentioned the challenges from other states entering the casino industry yet the Sipp still comes 3rd in the overall that industry (pre covid ofc). The state is progressing economically but at it's pace ( pros and cons obviously). Regionally the pace differs from the Coast/Hills/Capital/Pine Belt/Southwest/Delta. People outside look at the Sipp via the Delta & not the rest.

There's much comparison to Bama and to be honest the comparison should be to Arkansas or better New Mexico. Bama's economy is about twice of the Sipp now thanks to multiple metros.

The "hate" is more along the hand wave it's not going to improve over not superficial insecurity.
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Old 12-18-2020, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Houston(Screwston),TX
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You’re probably right. I have no clue about blues or how popular it is or isn’t but I do know it doesn’t have mainstream success. Far as I can tell blues hasn’t been intellectualized to the extent of Jazz and thus it’s appeal is a bit more narrow perhaps. More regionalized.
I have to disagree about Blues not being intellectualized to the extent of Jazz. Blues is more regionalized than Jazz but it's highly respected around the world. It's the foundation of modern American music. More so than Jazz. There's been thousands of documentaries, movies, books, academic courses on Blues music. Mainstream success doesn't quantify how impactful the genre is. I mean when the last time you heard a Jazz record on the billboard charts?

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Ive spent a lot of time researching Chicago's history and I used to live there. As a disclaimer, its actually my favorite city in the US but I love it despite its flaws. However, its race relations are extremely poor for such a progressive city. While the segregation may be getting better, its still a big issue.

It didnt get that way overnight. Chicago was a perfect example of corruption and failures in public housing gone bad where the effects still linger today. When many black people moved there in during the great migration, the idea was the public housing could be set up in the suburbs and those kids could go to good schools and live in bungalow style housing. The problem was the white people in Chicago didnt like living next to black people anymore than they did in Alabama or Mississippi. So they threw a fit and everything got forced back into the city. Because land was more expensive in the city they had to be thrown into high rises which the crooked as hell CHA neglected and eventually took bribes from gangs to be left alone.

I get that things are much better and the city and its residents have made legitimate effort. However, the legacy still lives on. Thats how the segregation got so bad, what fueled the corruption, how the black/white income gap got so astronomically large, and a huge reason crime became what it was in sections of the city. You couldnt script a better foundation for long lasting systematic racism.

That said, Im more ignorant of Boston's history here. It may indeed be worse, I dont know.
Yeah if Chicago didn't have such a horrible history of structural racism(and today) it would probably be the best major city in America for me.
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Old 12-18-2020, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Mainstream success doesn't quantify how impactful the genre is. I mean when the last time you heard a Jazz record on the billboard charts?
I hear noticeable jazz influences all the time, in hip hop samples mainly. But I also feel like it's a part of adult contemporary RnB. but again the B in RnB is blues. Just musically I feel like it's more rhythm than traditional blues. It's often very jazzy. Content wise-its bluesy. Although I feel like Blues is less romantic in subject matter than RnB-I could be wrong.
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Old 12-18-2020, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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I would argue that Mississippi is probably the most hated state in the US. I would say that its a visceral hate too. Its basically the state people point to when they want to make a punching bag of someone.
While I think Mississippi is one of the most looked down upon states, California, Texas, New York, New Jersey, Florida, and Alabama are the contenders for most hated by a country mile.

Mississippi barely even ranks unless highly contextualized, mainly for poor education and poverty, but they have plenty of competition for being put down in those criteria.


Overall that Mississippi is largely ignored. It has a pretty low profile since not much actually happens there (since the civil rights era). Alabama, on the other hand, has more or less the same stigma, but a bit more wealth (concentrated in a relativcely small population), higher education, and tech, so its similar flaws seem less excusable, thus Alabama sticks up above Miss in the 'hate stakes' for people who want to denigrate the deep South, in my experience.
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Old 12-18-2020, 08:18 PM
 
Location: North Caroline
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Agreed with ABQ. I don't think people hate Mississippi at all, it's more of a pitying feeling for the ones who view it negatively.

I would say Alabama bears the brunt of the vast majority of jokes about the South, which is funny because Alabama/Louisiana/Arkansas/rest of the South people view Mississippi in that manner ("Thank God for Mississippi"). Whenever people make jokes about incest/inbreeding or hicks, though, it always seems like Alabama is the go-to state, with maybe West Virginia in second. Also, I think as it pertains to progressiveness, liberal-minded people, especially those in northern states, like to use Alabama as a quintessential example or catch-all for backwards conservatives, which is what explains much of the hate or dislike. It terms of its civil rights history, it's unsurprisingly that Alabama is pretty notorious, though.

For pure, unadulterated insanity, Florida is the state everyone mentions.
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