Rising University Cities: Top 100 University Rankings Change (2014 > 2022) (school, tuition)

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by elchevere

State schools no doubt can give as good an education; for me, I’d be paying for job placement which elite privates still carry clout (some of which comes via strong alumni connections who take care of their own—not just locally, but nationally). Also, depends on your field. Some elite private schools are still the golden ticket to Investment banking and top law firms.

Yeah, that's true, but the best public schools also score near the top in graduate placement. Berkeley, Michigan, Texas, UVA, UCLA and UNC all do very well in this list.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/d...eders-banking/

[masssachoicetts]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Yeah, that's true, but the best public schools also score near the top in graduate placement. Berkeley, Michigan, Texas, UVA, UCLA and UNC all do very well in this list.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/d...eders-banking/

^ bingo.

Also, certain fields public schools dominate. In my field the rankings go:
#2: UC Berkley
#3: Rutgers
#4: UCLA
#5: UNC Chapel Hill
#8: U So Cal
#9: U Michigan
#11: Illinois Urbana Champaign
#15: UF
#16: FSU
#17: U of T Austin
#18: Virginia Tech
#20: Texas A&M U

By the 30s both UMass’ appear, two SUNYs, Irvine, UArizona, Iowa, Minnesota, UGA, Kansas State, UWA etc

Public schools provide direct link to local, state and federal jobs.

[elchevere]

I suppose one of the greatest values is going to one of the state supported divisions at Cornell—Ivy degree at lower state supported prices.

[manitopiaaa]

Originally Posted by elchevere

I suppose one of the greatest values is going to one of the state supported divisions at Cornell—Ivy degree at lower state supported prices.

Perhaps, but many Ivy Leaguers deride Cornell as "SUNY Ithaca" and consider it the inferior school within the Athletic Conference.

[elchevere]

Of the state supported divisions, Industrial & Labor Relations is a top notch pre-law program, nothing second fiddle about it; Agricultural School & Life Sciences is fine (8th ranked); the graduate Veterinary School is ranked #2 in the nation; buddy graduated from Human Ecology and became a CEO of a publicly traded company. Other Ivy’s might deride it, employers don’t. Unlike all other SUNY’s, the degree from there still carries the Cornell name and is not as limited to the Northeast from an employment perspective…if talking athletics, hockey, lacrosse and wrestling are solid; other sports not the case.

Originally Posted by manitopiaaa

Perhaps, but many Ivy Leaguers deride Cornell as "SUNY Ithaca" and consider it the inferior school within the Athletic Conference.

[Drewjdeg]

The UC system is pretty crazy.

I feel like nobody knew about UC Irvine or UC Merced a decade ago, now they are climbing the rankings.

[masssachoicetts]

Originally Posted by elchevere

I suppose one of the greatest values is going to one of the state supported divisions at Cornell—Ivy degree at lower state supported prices.

I know 4 people who did that SUNY Ithaca program and all four are not doing good at all. The connections are mediocre at best.

[elchevere]

then that's partly on them, not necessarily the university.....there are plenty of other graduates who have done quite well, though going to any elite school (private or state) opens doors but does not guarantee success for all.

Cornell currently is a top 5 feeder school to Investment Banking; top 2 feeder school to MBA programs; top 2 feeder school to Law School; top 3 feeder school to total Ph.D. programs (including #2 Biological Science, #3 Physics, #7 Computer Science, and #8 Engineering); top 11 feeder school to Medical School; and top 13 feeder school to tech and Silicon Valley. Fairly impressive numbers. Not all are graduates from Cornell's private divisions. (source: Collegetransitions.com).

Cornell has been derided over the years by other Ivy's because it was the only one to have state supported divisions which, by proxy, dictated a slightly higher admissions rate (which the school has also used to recruit lesser mentally gifted athletes), it is the "youngest" (only Ivy to be founded after the US became a nation), least preppy, and--unlike the other Ivy's--it was co-ed from its inception (something Leland Stanford noticed and emulated which also prompted that university to hire most of their initial faculty and first 2 Presidents from Cornell, earning Stanford the moniker "Cornell of the West").

Originally Posted by masssachoicetts

I know 4 people who did that SUNY Ithaca program and all four are not doing good at all. The connections are mediocre at best.

[masssachoicetts]

Originally Posted by elchevere

then that's partly on them, not necessarily the university.....there are plenty of other graduates who have done quite well, though going to any elite school (private or state) opens doors but does not guarantee success for all.

Cornell currently is a top 5 feeder school to Investment Banking; top 2 feeder school to MBA programs; top 2 feeder school to Law School; top 3 feeder school to total Ph.D. programs (including #2 Biological Science, #3 Physics, #7 Computer Science, and #8 Engineering); top 11 feeder school to Medical School; and top 13 feeder school to tech and Silicon Valley. Fairly impressive numbers. Not all are graduates from Cornell's private divisions. (source: Collegetransitions.com).

Cornell has been derided over the years by other Ivy's because it was the only one to have state supported divisions which, by proxy, dictated a slightly higher admissions rate (which the school has also used to recruit lesser mentally gifted athletes), it is the "youngest" (only Ivy to be founded after the US became a nation), least preppy, and--unlike the other Ivy's--it was co-ed from its inception (something Leland Stanford noticed and emulated which also prompted that university to hire most of their initial faculty and first 2 Presidents from Cornell, earning Stanford the moniker "Cornell of the West").

Meh. My pool at Cornell I know dont do as well as my Binghamton, Rutgers, UF and University of Miami sample size.

I think partly has to do with geography. Im sure it provides tons of opportunities and top 5 ranks in a lot of programs but I dont see the reflection.

[elchevere]

your friends are a small sample size vs the many tens of thousands+++ of others.. I’m not doubting what you are saying to be possible or true but it is certainly not representative of a much larger sample size.

would love to see the grad school placement, average salaries and geographic placement of those other schools you mentioned for comparative purposes. I had a hard time finding them on the feeder school rankings I mentioned but maybe I didn’t scroll down far enough.

Who do you think is more likely to get through the door for the interview with and hired by Goldman Sachs; Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft; Google; JP Morgan Chase; Procter & Gamble; McKinsey & Company, Big Pharma, etc—Binghamton, Miami or Cornell?….who is more likely to be geographically job placement limited vs one who lands a job 750, 1000 or 2500 miles away, let alone in their general metro (sometimes through alumni contacts)?….maybe your Cornell friends don’t interview well, but that’s more a reflection on them if that is the case (or maybe they chose Anthropology for a major….hard to tell without knowing their situation).

Originally Posted by masssachoicetts

Meh. My pool at Cornell I know dont do as well as my Binghamton, Rutgers, UF and University of Miami sample size.

I think partly has to do with geography. Im sure it provides tons of opportunities and top 5 ranks in a lot of programs but I dont see the reflection.