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my man you’re talking as though anyone cares or knows about anything north of Boston. No one has ever seen Madadadadda Maine lol. It doesn’t matter/count.
For practical terms and most everyone after Massachusetts..maybe Manchester. It’s the end of the earth. It might be significant for tens of thousands of vacationing New Englanders for 4/5 months of the year. But it’s not like anywhere anyone thinks about. Not a slight (well ‘Madadada’ was) but it just is what it is. And no state where it’s ILLEGAL to put up a billboard should be in the mix with the most urbanized and consumer driven part of the country. No state that’s the whitest state in the US should be included in what’s arguably the most ethnically diverse region of this country.
I Boston is the middle of the northeast then what to NEC- Philly to Caribou? Realistically we have to give grace to a place like Richmond because the Northeast is given the smallest borders and land area of any region by far.
You need to be in (or at least debatably so) the Northeast to be part of the Northeast Megapolis. Richmond by no intelligent persons definition in good faith could be considered Northeast. Thus isn’t in the Northeast megalopolis.
It’s like calling Albany a Great Lakes city because sometimes lake effect reaches there.
The thread is about regions and you're bringing up latitudes lol. NEC, piedmont megalopolis. Boston is the top, Birmingham is the bottom..anything else is a goalpost moving. Also, in a conversation about economic connectivity we are gonna use Savannah and Myrtle beach? Maine???? We have to try harder than that and be more intellectually honest with ourselves. Regardless of personal bias somethings just don't make sense. Richmond is 200 miles closer to the most important city in the country and northeast than it is to the most important city in the south. There's no way to refute that. Atleast without changing the conversation.
My friend, one fact alone discredits your theory on the basis of proximity --
'The South' is the largest geographical area of the country.
This distortion makes many other cities in the South closer to D.C. or NY or even Boston than to Birmingham, by geography alone. It doesn't make them anymore 'Northeastern' which is as much a cultural affinity or sense of belonging as it is geographical.
Rural don’t worry man, Richmond isnt in it either. Aside from the ‘Northeast’ nomenclature (which obviously doesn’t matter since DC and Bmore are undoubtedly in it) it just has a better argument than Portland….and HR is legit Southern so I haven’t even mentioned them.
There is no point in having a definition of the area if you’re stretching it to the heart of the South. It loses all cohesion if you think it stretches to the NC border.
Already the Northeast Megalopolis is very questionable as a region because DC is flat out a Sunbelt city ala Atlanta culturally.
The NEC is a rail line not a region.
Chicago and Philly aren’t in the same region because of the Penn Main Line
My friend, one fact alone discredits your theory on the basis of proximity --
'The South' is the largest geographical area of the country.
This distortion makes many other cities in the South closer to D.C. or NY or even Boston than to Birmingham, by geography alone. It doesn't make them anymore 'Northeastern' which is as much a cultural affinity or sense of belonging as it is geographical.
Look, I've already stated that I'm not arguing Richmond is in it. I just want y'all to make sense, be consistent and just take a step back and look at what your arguments are reduced to. Which southern city is Richmond heavily connected to economically?
There is no point in having a definition of the area if you’re stretching it to the heart of the South. It loses all cohesion if you think it stretches to the NC border.
Already the Northeast Megalopolis is very questionable as a region because DC is flat out a Sunbelt city ala Atlanta culturally.
The NEC is a rail line not a region.
Chicago and Philly aren’t in the same region because of the Penn Main Line
Who questions the Northeast Megalopolis as a region, though? Even the very casual American knows it’s a thing.
And since when is Richmond the Heart of the South? I was in Richmond like 2 months ago picking up some electronics with a friend. Hung out, had some burgers, saw some things, talked to some people. It is the former capital of the confederacy 160 years ago- but even then it was chosen specifically because it wasn’t the heart of Dixie. It had manufacturing and proximity to the Union capital.
Today Richmond is a pretty smooth and easy drive from DC (*off-peak*) and while you definitely feel some southern vibes, for the most part architecturally and in terms of accent/attitude it felt similar to a DC suburb in NOVA. I wouldn’t include it because if it’s location. But really it’s a much different beast than trekking it up to Portland. There’s much commerce, density, and more of a metropolitan feel. it’s not like an outpost or vacationland-it actually feels fully engaged in the 21st century.
No ones talking Philly-Portland or HR- Manchester when they say NEC. It’s just DC-Boston.
Basically based off your definition the northeast corridor is Philly-New Haven, right?
Look, I've already stated that I'm not arguing Richmond is in it. I just want y'all to make sense, be consistent and just take a step back and look at what your arguments are reduced to. Which southern city is Richmond heavily connected to economically?
All of the cities in Virginia since Richmond is the capital of the state. Other than that, no other city outside the state currently. Richmond is not a major city with much of any outside ties.
Remember, I'm arguing for a Pro-Virginia corridor stretching from VA Beach to the Piedmont west of Richmond, possibly even to Charlottesville or Lynchburg one day.
Who questions the Northeast Megalopolis as a region, though? Even the very casual American knows it’s a thing.
And since when is Richmond the Heart of the South? I was in Richmond like 2 months ago picking up some electronics with a friend. Hung out, had some burgers, saw some things, talked to some people. It is the former capital of the confederacy 160 years ago- but even then it was chosen specifically because it wasn’t the heart of Dixie. It had manufacturing and proximity to the Union capital.
Today Richmond is a pretty smooth and easy drive from DC (*off-peak*) and while you definitely feel some southern vibes, for the most part architecturally and in terms of accent/attitude it felt similar to a DC suburb in NOVA. I wouldn’t include it because if it’s location. But really it’s a much different beast than trekking it up to Portland. There’s much commerce, density, and more of a metropolitan feel. it’s not like an outpost or vacationland-it actually feels fully engaged in the 21st century.
No ones talking Philly-Portland or HR- Manchester when they say NEC. It’s just DC-Boston.
Basically based off your definition the northeast corridor is Philly-New Haven, right?
To me Atlanta is the heart of the south. But Richmond was the capitol of the south. It's certainly southern.
There is no point in having a definition of the area if you’re stretching it to the heart of the South.
The heart of the South would be Atlanta or Birmingham, and the southern terminus of the NEC is well north of those cities by hundreds of miles.
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It loses all cohesion if you think it stretches to the NC border.
Already the Northeast Megalopolis is very questionable as a region because DC is flat out a Sunbelt city ala Atlanta culturally.
The DC region certainly has its fair share of Sunbelt characteristics, especially NoVA, but to say it is "flat out a Sunbelt city ala Atlanta culturally" is pushing it somewhat. Some of the cultural similarities shared by Atlanta and DC actually have little to nothing to do with the Sunbelt.
Otherwise, I agree with your overall point concerning the name, which is why it seems to be referred to most often as Bos-Wash. But with respect to the Amtrak rail line, this blurb from Amtrak's NEC website is interesting and informative:
The main line of the Northeast Corridor (NEC) is 457 miles long traversing major cities in the northeast region including Washington, DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York and Boston. With the addition of connecting corridors to Harrisburg, PA, Springfield, MA, Albany, NY and Richmond, VA, the NEC spans a total of 899 miles.
I think the only Wilmington on Amtrak’s Carolinian line is in Delaware. They seem a weird arbiter since their goal is simply to move people in a somewhat profitable, somewhat arbitrary manner.
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