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Obviously, most neighborhoods west of the Anacostia River have substantial retail in very urban, dense, vibrant neighborhoods, but are those establishments Black owned? I think that is the criteria most neighborhoods around the nation will struggle to meet.
All the neighborhoods I posted in Ward 7 and 8 have substantial mixed-use development being built which will change the way people experience them from an urban standpoint.
Kingman Park and Carver/Langston would be an option, but there aren't any developments coming to those neighborhoods. The retail along that corridor has massive potential through redevelopment, but it won't happen till well after all the developments east of the river open up.
Petworth definitely has some black owned businesses, as well as black owned restaurants like Hitching Post (soul food), Tsehey (Ethiopian), and Safari DC (lounge, serves East African food).
I think the only question is whether Petworth is majority black. It was 57% in 2010 so I’d assume it’s probably at least plurality black.
For Carver Langston and Kingman Park there is some retail on Maryland Ave and Benning Road but not much and aside from from a few places probably not black owned. You’re correct also, expansion of the streetcar and the development of “Downtown Ward 7” will definitely caused that area to boom. Also whatever happens with RFK stadium will probably trigger more interest in those neighborhoods.
What kind of Black population growth is Rochester seeing? There is a lot of potential for revitalization. Do you see the area attracting population growth? There are some beautiful detached single-family historic homes in your links. Reminds me of Detroit which also has stately detached single-family homes.
I believe that the city saw a slight decrease in black population and percentage, but in terms of bigger indisputably Northeastern cities, Rochester is only behind Newark in black percentage at 40.1% black alone according to the 2020 census numbers: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...k/160-3663000/
As you can see, the city is more black than anything else in plurality.
I can see the city attracting more growth in the future and the metro has never lost population in an official census.
As mentioned in the Northeastern black middle class thread, there is also a decent black middle class presence in NE Rochester too. Homestead Heights is pluralistically black(becomes predominantly black when including those in combination). Some are in North Winton Village(about 30% black or so).
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Wow, there is so much potential to build up those areas. Do you see mid-rises taking off in all these commercial areas? I could definitely see 4-6 story buildings lining these streets with retail on the first floor filled with nice brunch spots with music, grocery stores, banks, cleaners, etc. Do you think the young Black professional population would move into apartments and condos along those corridors if they build new buildings?
The entire first building is black owned the barber shop/hair salon building
These are the forgotten parts of Boston further from downtown than anywhere in DC is from downtown….. I don’t think the neighborhoods is opposed to development and it’s slowly started to be discussed but the white liberal environmental crowd that moved into these areas when the majority of the white population was moving out? They are trying to protect everything. https://www.universalhub.com/2021/hy...official-crack
Young black professionals can and do move into new construction all over the inner metro area especially south of mass Ave. they could afford these and there’d be a minimum 20% affordable units at 80% AMI or lower (new mayors mandate). Folks move into these of a wide variety of cultures. Much less so in Cambridge/Seaport/Somerville
Mattapan Square is different there are virtually no white people there and it’s not under imminent threat of gentrification. There’s really not enough demand for mid rises there yet.
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Petworth definitely has some black owned businesses, as well as black owned restaurants like Hitching Post (soul food), Tsehey (Ethiopian), and Safari DC (lounge, serves East African food).
I think the only question is whether Petworth is majority black. It was 57% in 2010 so I’d assume it’s probably at least plurality black.
For Carver Langston and Kingman Park there is some retail on Maryland Ave and Benning Road but not much and aside from from a few places probably not black owned. You’re correct also, expansion of the streetcar and the development of “Downtown Ward 7” will definitely caused that area to boom. Also whatever happens with RFK stadium will probably trigger more interest in those neighborhoods.
The entire first building is black owned the barber shop/hair salon building
These are the forgotten parts of Boston further from downtown than anywhere in DC is from downtown….. I don’t think the neighborhoods is opposed to development and it’s slowly started to be discussed but the white liberal environmental crowd that moved into these areas when the majority of the white population was moving out? They are trying to protect everything. https://www.universalhub.com/2021/hy...official-crack
Young black professionals can and do move into new construction all over the inner metro area especially south of mass Ave. they could afford these and there’d be a minimum 20% affordable units at 80% AMI or lower (new mayors mandate). Folks move into these of a wide variety of cultures. Much less so in Cambridge/Seaport/Somerville
Mattapan Square is different there are virtually no white people there and it’s not under imminent threat of gentrification. There’s really not enough demand for mid rises there yet.
I don't know if your distance claim is true. I guess it depends where you take your measurement. The biggest difference between Hyde Park and DC's Ward 7 and 8 are the Anacostia River. The river has been an insurmountable economic barrier for Ward 7 and 8 historically. The river is a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing because it has kept east of the river neighborhoods Black. It's a curse because it also has blocked economic investment.
The river is actually the only reason Ward 7 and Ward 8 have been gentrified by mainly Black professionals versus people from other demographics. Most Black people in the DC area live in Ward 7, Ward 8, and Prince George's County. The biggest thing all three of those areas have in common is that they are cut off from the urban core of DC by the Anacostia River.
The same river that was a barrier to economic development historically until DC's recent intentional investments is what will protect these areas from gentrification in the future. That's obviously my prediction so we will see. Economic development would not be coming to these neighborhoods if DC wasn't funding it. That's the most important factor. To be clear, the city government is driving all the development east of the river.
St. Elizabeth East is another option in D.C. that will offer a busier atmosphere in the future. The neighborhood is currently being built from scratch, but the surrounding homes are moving fast with anticipation of a vibrant Black neighborhood for those families that want vibrancy and entertainment options.
"Parcel 15 sits in between the Metro station and the Entertainment and Sports Arena, the facility that opened last year and is home to the WNBA’s Mystics’ games, the NBA’s Wizards’ practices and other events.
The project goals are to develop a 567K SF mixed-use project on the piece of the campus known as Parcel 15, just west of the Congress Heights Metro station. The project would feature two residential buildings totaling 288 units, including 151 set aside as affordable.
The project will also include a 200K SF office building, a 125-room hotel and up to 50K SF of ground-floor retail. The buildings would surround a central public plaza.
Parcel 15 will serve as the gateway to this mixed-use and innovation-focused community. The Site comprises just over four acres. The Site’s position as the gateway to St. Elizabeths East, and prominence within the historic campus provide opportunities for new buildings that exhibit design excellence and creativity. Redevelopment of this parcel should encourage pedestrian traffic and activity, particularly with ground floor retail, and take maximum advantage of its proximity to public transportation and the Entertainment & Sports Arena immediately to the north of the site."
"NDC is currently working on the design to construct a beautiful 7-story mixed-use building with 421 mixed-income apartment units and approximately 21,000 square feet of Class-A retail that will serve as a catalyst to revitalize the historic St. Elizabeth’s East Campus."
"Whitman-Walker will establish a new health center at St. Elizabeth’s East as part of the District’s bid to revitalize the Ward 8 campus and, its leaders hope, attract more of a health hub in a part of the city that sorely needs one.
The D.C. health nonprofit, which specializes in care for the city’s LGBTQ community, has signed a lease to occupy 116,000 square feet in a new building to be developed by District-based Redbrick. The building, slated for Parcel 17 — a vacant site on the southern edge of the campus — will be located between Alabama Avenue, Sycamore Drive and 12th Street SE near the Congress Heights Metro station.
The six-story building will house a pharmacy on the ground floor, where both the center and system will also share space for programming and bring on a community partner. Whitman-Walker Health will occupy three floors for primary care, behavioral health services, dental and substance misuse treatment services. And Whitman-Walker Health System will take up two floors for its institute, which includes the group’s work in education, policy and research."
A vibrant community is blossoming in one of D.C.’s most highly-anticipated neighborhoods. District Towns at St. Elizabeth's East offers spacious garage townhomes with modern interiors and classic curb appeal from the mid $500s and lower $600s. Steps from Congress Heights Metro, you can access the best of D.C., plus walk to community events, sports games and more within the neighborhood. Wide sidewalks and green spaces line the streets, and planned development promises additional retail and dining.
"Located in the Congress Heights neighborhood of D.C., across the Anacostia River from the pageantry of the National Mall, St. Elizabeths is the site of a Civil War–era psychiatric hospital. The pastoral East Campus is now slated for development into a mixed-use community, and the East Gateway Pavilion is the first move to bring vibrant activity back to the site. Designed by the Washington, D.C., office of Davis Brody Bond, the 16,000-square-foot pavilion has dining spaces, a community roof, and a market, and hosts cultural events in the district. The steel-frame structure’s butterfly roof, edged in 184 high-performance concrete panels, doubles as shelter for the open-air market below and occupiable green space for visitors, and boasts an overlook point for the campus, which is listed in the National Register of Historic Places."
"D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser championed a partnership she says will bring high-quality medical care to the new hospital at St. Elizabeths East.
The partnership, which has the support of several local leaders and organizations that include The George Washington University Hospital and the GW School of Medicine and Health Sciences, will provide comprehensive health care service for adults at the 136-bed facility as well as two new urgent/ambulatory facilities to open in Wards 7 and 8.
GWU will also provide physician leadership and medical direction for all health care activities, according to Bowser’s office, which added that the new hospital will feature a wide spectrum of medical services that will include maternal and child health, behavioral health, primary care, and advanced surgical services."
Standard Real Estate Investments LP, Trammell Crow Co. and NHT Communities are partnering to acquire seven parcels and 2 acres of land at 13th Street SE and Alabama Avenue SE, next to the St. Elizabeths East campus and at the southern entrance of the Congress Heights Metro station. The team plans a mixed-use development of 179 residential units and 240,000 square feet of office at the site.
The team aims to break ground before the end of 2022, with the offices ready for occupancy by the end of 2024 and the residences completed in the first half of 2025.
Some black owned restaurants in the neighborhood are People’s Choice, Zoc’s, Unkl Moe’s, Arnett Cafe, B+Healthy Fresh Food Market, Supreme Salad Bar, Kareen’s, Three Little Birds and Livie’s, among may a couple of others. Some others in the city: https://amp.democratandchronicle.com/amp/5306901002
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I don't know if your distance claim is true. I guess it depends where you take your measurement. The biggest difference between Hyde Park and DC's Ward 7 and 8 are the Anacostia River. The river has been an insurmountable economic barrier for Ward 7 and 8 historically. The river is a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing because it has kept east of the river neighborhoods Black. It's a curse because it also has blocked economic investment.
The river is actually the only reason Ward 7 and Ward 8 have been gentrified by mainly Black professionals versus people from other demographics. Most Black people in the DC area live in Ward 7, Ward 8, and Prince George's County. The biggest thing all three of those areas have in common is that they are cut off from the urban core of DC by the Anacostia River.
The same river that was a barrier to economic development historically until DC's recent intentional investments is what will protect these areas from gentrification in the future. That's obviously my prediction so we will see. Economic development would not be coming to these neighborhoods if DC wasn't funding it. That's the most important factor. To be clear, the city government is driving all the development east of the river.
Oh no its VERY true. Undeniably so. Its TWICE as far as the furthest points of North or northeast DC. Twice. I wouldn’t say it without having checked first. But you can also just easily feel the difference if your familiar with both cities.
I understand everything your saying about DC but those areas aren’t forgotten. Due to historic, cultural and crime reasons they’re always being discussed or targeted. The same is not true for the areas I showed you. Half of Current Bostonians aren’t even aware Hyde Park exist and we have people on this forum who say they know Boston who’ve never been to Hyde Park at all in 30 years. It’s a totally different context tbh than Anacostia to be totally honest. You’ve never heard of Hyde Park in Boston but we’ve sort of all heard of Northeast/Southeast DC. Very different.
Indeed, the closest part of Hyde Park is as slightly further to downtown Boston than the area that is the border of DC and Seat Pleasant. Is to Downtown DC
Due to costs, distance from downtown and simply being in Boston there’s less black demand and fewer black entering the area to live in these places and due to distance and lack of subway service Hyde Park isn’t appealing to yuppies at all. The only colleges nearby are Boston Urban College and Boston Baptist college. And then little Curry College. All of which are tiny tiny tiny commuter schools for locals. Still due to its very low crime, nice downtown, homes with yards, lack of new construction and commuter rail service it’s considerably more expensive than most of Ward 7 and 8 if not all of it.
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