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3 commuter rail station into Boston and at least 7 bus lines (30 32 24 27 50 14 33). 15 minute walk to Mattapan rapid transit station, 12 miles from downtown Boston. 15-20 minute walk to forest hill rapid transit station.
I wouldnt believe this. Is this true? If it is why isnt Hyde Park more recognized?
I wouldnt believe this. Is this true? If it is why isnt Hyde Park more recognized?
All objective facts. Factual info. 2019 estimate had median hh income at 87k- so I pushed it to 90k. That’s it as far as embellishment.
More nationally-
1) it’s Boston
2) it’s not even Roxbury Dorchester or Mattapan, lacking clout
3) very far removed from the core of the city and thus overlooked
4) not enticingly urban nor enticingly suburban
5) immigrant neighborhood
6) plurality francophone immigrants at that
Locally-
7) chunks of Hyde park look pretty worn and rusty
8) pretty decent organized criminal element/gang membership but the “action” just doesn’t take place in Hyde Park, you’re more likely to run into the “action” in Roslindale before Hyde Park- just how it goes.
Why wouldn’t you believe it? How much time have you spent in Hyde Park?
Last edited by BostonBornMassMade; 12-31-2021 at 12:59 PM..
^I was wondering the same as well…In terms of strictly African American or just black.
I guess I will say the North Valley portion of the Valley section/neighborhood of Syracuse(essentially north of Seneca Turnpike/Route 173): https://goo.gl/maps/8w7FgFkwsPjAJpPi6
It is about slightly over 50-55% or so(depending on who you include).
Has some African American owned businesses on South Salina Street in that area(a gym, barbershop, salon, commercial office furniture/tech solutions company, etc.). This venture in that area will hopefully get going soon: https://www.syracuse.com/business/20...outputType=amp (the llc involved: https://www.7evenstreams.world/ ) There are some other businesses and a black run health center further north on South Salina going into the South Side and going towards Downtown. The immediate area had a Soul Food spot until about 4-5 years ago and the building would be great for a sit down place now: https://goo.gl/maps/K6MA9fWvzv4YFdbYA , https://www.syracuse.com/entertainme...in_a_name.html However, there are a couple further north in the South Side and a few at this place on the southern end of Downtown: https://saltcitymarket.com/vendors/
Yes, there are homes with yards. The neighborhood does skew lower/working class on the income side, but does have stable areas and some moderate income residents/families. A street view in that area: https://goo.gl/maps/a3hTg91kxSSahTNb7
All objective facts. Factual info. 2019 estimate had median hh income at 87k- so I pushed it to 90k. That’s it as far as embellishment.
More nationally-
1) it’s Boston
2) it’s not even Roxbury Dorchester or Mattapan, lacking clout
3) very far removed from the core of the city and thus overlooked
4) not enticingly urban nor enticingly suburban
5) immigrant neighborhood
6) plurality francophone immigrants at that
Locally-
7) chunks of Hyde park look pretty worn and rusty
8) pretty decent organized criminal element/gang membership but the “action” just doesn’t take place in Hyde Park, you’re more likely to run into the “action” in Roslindale before Hyde Park- just how it goes.
Why wouldn’t you believe it? How much time have you spent in Hyde Park?
Zero, theres no need to go to Hyde Park. Its just a stop on the zoom rail line (pvd line) that I have no reason to get off at.. even when I lived in Boston it was just known as like a middle income suburban part of the city. Hyde Park is so well connected to Bostons core through the Providence/Stoughton Line. Literally every 20-30 minutes, and a 9 minute ride to Back Bay Station. I use 128 station all the time and absolutely love its convenience, Hyde Park is just 25% closer and better than that. I think i do know one person who lives there because its so wel connected on the commuter rail and yuppies started moving there since COVID as its cheaper, provides more space and you can be in the Back Bay in less than 10 minutes
Not that i dont believe it. Its just the facts point so ever strongly in its favor. And its surprising.
*although, Hyde Park was known as the Irish Slums well into the early 70s. Older Bostonians who grew up there (my dads dads brother) recite it as a Southie 2.0 for its time. So my perception of Hyde Park most likely tilts negative as I just have had no reason to explore/see it in person nowadays. Lots of new development though as of last week training through there.
Hyde Park, Readville and West Roxbury are three neighborhoods that I just have not touched that much.
Readville is a part of Hyde Park just so you know. Hyde Park has been majority black only since the 2000 census so that’s part of why it’s not well known. But certainly in my generation no more than 15% of the youth were white. It’s always been a noticeably more Italian than Irish by my observation despite it being south of Mass Pike…. But yea 70s we’re a few generations a go. It’s far from a slum. I think there’s one Irish bar left- Cavans-albeit I think most of the clientele is black.
Aynna Pressley lives there and it home to (Camp) Meigs Training ground for the Massachusetts 54th- home of the first black infantry troop in the Civil War. Additionally it’s home to many small business owners from Grenada, DR, Jamaica, Haiti, Nigeria as well as black Americans. The retreat of white business community and political clout hastened after 2015, but started a little earlier. The overthrow of the ward commuter was the final straw. If you do a Google street view of clearly square 2007 compared to today you’ll see a difference in ethnicity of business owners.
Until recently very very few HP residents used the commuter rail due to high fees. 2 of the 3 stations now have subway fares and it’s increased ridership. Most people just drive.
ITs difficult to find these neighborhoods in NYC, mainly because of the requirement of a single-family house with a yard. We are mainly a city of apartment dwellers, after all. But some of the neighborhoods in southeast Queens, like parts of Cambria Heights or St. Albans, might fit the bill. From what I know, however, although housing can be a strong suit, retail amenities and public schools may not be. But I confess to limited knowledge of Queens. Maybe someone who knows the borough better than me can weigh in.
Last edited by citylove101; 12-31-2021 at 05:01 PM..
ITs difficult to find these neighborhoods in NYC, mainly because of the requirement of a single-family house with a yard. We are mainly a city of apartment dwellers, after all. But some of the neighborhoods in southeast Queens, like parts of Cambria or St. Albans, might fit the bill. From what I know, however, although housing can be a strong suit, retail amenities and public schools may not be. But I confess to limited knowledge of Queens. Maybe someone who knows the borough better than me can weigh in.
Maybe Laurelton and Addisleigh Park too?
I’m wondering if parts of NE Bronx would be an option as well.
^I was wondering the same as well…In terms of strictly African American or just black.
I guess I will say the North Valley portion of the Valley section/neighborhood of Syracuse(essentially north of Seneca Turnpike/Route 173): https://goo.gl/maps/8w7FgFkwsPjAJpPi6
It is about slightly over 50-55% or so(depending on who you include).
Has some African American owned businesses on South Salina Street in that area(a gym, barbershop, salon, commercial office furniture/tech solutions company, etc.). This venture in that area will hopefully get going soon: https://www.syracuse.com/business/20...outputType=amp (the llc involved: https://www.7evenstreams.world/ ) There are some other businesses and a black run health center further north on South Salina going into the South Side and going towards Downtown. The immediate area had a Soul Food spot until about 4-5 years ago and the building would be great for a sit down place now: https://goo.gl/maps/K6MA9fWvzv4YFdbYA , https://www.syracuse.com/entertainme...in_a_name.html However, there are a couple further north in the South Side and a few at this place on the southern end of Downtown: https://saltcitymarket.com/vendors/
Yes, there are homes with yards. The neighborhood does skew lower/working class on the income side, but does have stable areas and some moderate income residents/families. A street view in that area: https://goo.gl/maps/a3hTg91kxSSahTNb7
Depending on how strict the criteria is, the only black owned thing that one can truly walk to is a dentist office, but you have 2 other black dentist offices(Berry and Harris offices) along the bus route(East Genesee Street) on that side of town, there’s a black American Legion(Dunbar Post) in the nearby Westcott neighborhood, Collins Barber and Beauty, A soul food restaurant just north of Syracuse University on Marshall Street(Winnie’s), a black run dance school: https://dancetheaterofsyracuse.com/ and that school uses this facility: https://communityfolkartcenter.org/ . There are a couple of other businesses, along with an Afro-Dominican owned restaurant in the Westcott neighborhood as well. This African dance/drum studio is nearby in DeWitt as well: https://wacheva.com/
A young African American family may move to your city if they can find the right fit. They require the following in a neighborhood:
1. Neighborhood must be in city proper with urban walkable built environment
2. Predominately African American population in the neighborhood
3. African American owned businesses/restaurants within walking distance to their home
4. Public transportation within walking distance
5. Walking distance to parks and trails from their home
6. House with a yard for the kids to play
7. African American local political power (sitting councilman for neighborhood)
What neighborhood would you recommend in your city and what makes it the best choice based on their criteria?
Detroit fits all your criteria, as do Chicago and Memphis.
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