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Old 05-10-2022, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Some interesting data on Black educational attainment in Bedstuy from the US Census:

Bedstuy in NYC


Zip Code 11233 = 1.3 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 69.3% (55,270 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 10.5% (8,383 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 2.2% (1,733 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 15.6% (12,480 people)
Total Population = 79,796

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 21.3% (8,369 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 74.1% (4,723 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 55.8% (266 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 21.9% (799 people)


Zip Code 11216 = 0.9 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 48.2% (28,729 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 28.9% (17,216 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 4.8% (2,849 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 12.3% (7,315 people)
Total Population = 59,567

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 29.3% (6,878 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 83.7% (11,735 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 71.6% (1,533 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 51.7% (2,666 people)


Zip Code 11221 = 1.4 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 40.5% (34,699 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 18.6% (15,883 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 4.1% (3,502 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 33.8% (28,937 people)
Total Population = 85,582

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 26.5% (7,032 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 69.7% (8,642 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 47.1% (1,257 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 18.4% (3,240 people)


Zip Code 11213 = 1.1 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 61.5% (41,436 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 22% (14,794 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 1.9% (1,294 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 18.4% (3,240 people)
Total Population = 67,382

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 27.3% (8,337 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 57% (4,904 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 45.6% (516 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 22.6% (1,186 people)
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Old 05-10-2022, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Some interesting data on Black educational attainment in DC from the US Census:

Ward 7 and Ward 8 in DC

Zip Code 20019 = 6.3 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 91.3% (60,020 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 1.7% (1,118 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 0.1% (69 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 4.2% (2,795 people)
Total Population = 65,769

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 16.7% (6,524 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 82% (768 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 61.6% (45 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 25.2% (404 people)


Zip Code 20020 = 4.6 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 89.4% (50,963 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 3.1% (1,762 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 0.6% (365 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 3.7% (2,125 people)
Total Population = 57,031

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 20.3% (6,603 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 63.6% (985 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 77.1% (205 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 28.4% (313 people)


Zip Code 20032 = 5.2 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 82.7% (34,732 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 8.8% (3,686 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 0.5% (230 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 4.2% (1,766 people)
Total Population = 42,009

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 14.5% (3,227 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 59.2% (1,445 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 54.9% (106 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 32.4% (228 people)
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Old 05-10-2022, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Some interesting data on Black educational attainment in Atlanta from the US Census:

Southwest Atlanta


Zip Code 30310 = 8.8 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 82.7% (23,661 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 9.6% (2,733 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 1.6% (469 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 2.3% (656 people)
Total Population = 28,597

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 18.7% (2,976 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 67.7% (1,660 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 20.7% (67 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 61.4% (313 people)


Zip Code 30315 = 11.3 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 79.6% (28,894 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 11.5% (4,188 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 0.3% (122 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 6.8% (2,459 people)
Total Population = 36,296

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 16.1% (2,992 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 55.8% (1,973 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 46.8% (52 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 10.2% (158 people)


Zip Code 30314 = 4.6 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 82.5% (21,247 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 8.4% (2,173 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 3.0% (771 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 4.4% (1,138 people)
Total Population = 25,752

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 24.6% (3,024 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 46.6% (374 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 55.8% (58 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 17.6% (80 people)
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Old 05-11-2022, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Chicago (Hyde Park, Bronzeville, West Woodlawn)

Zip Code 60653 = 2.3 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 85.5% (28,717 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 6.2% (2,097 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 1.4% (468 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 4.1% (1,382 people)
Total Population = 33,574

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 32.3% (6,279 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 69.7% (1,079 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 68% (246 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 44.7% (357 people)


Zip Code 60615 = 2.2 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 52.8% (21,733 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 28.5% (11,747 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 8.2% (3,373 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 5.5% (2,258 people)
Total Population = 41,198

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 45.8% (7,606 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 90.7% (7,433 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 86.9% (1,770 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 52.6% (608 people)


Zip Code 60637 = 4.5 square miles

Black or African American (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 74.7% (34,827 people)
White (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 13.8% (6,451 people)
Asian (Alone Non-Hispanic) = 4.9% (2,279 people)
Hispanic Any Race = 3.0% (1,409 people)
Total Population = 46,621

Black Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 22.6% (5,115 people)
White Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 88% (3,078 people)
Asian Alone Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 91.8% (1,036 people)
Hispanic Bachelor's Degree or Higher = 55.3% (396 people)

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Old 05-12-2022, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Whats typical private school tuition in Philly. We should also differentiate between Catholic and Secular private?

Boston Latin Academy is in one of the blackest parts of Dorchester and is pretty much the equivalent of Central HS. Both are 21% black albeit Central has slightly more kids- But BLA serves a far greater portion of Boston black students than Central serves Philly's black students.

CHS, National Rank 229
https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-17231


BLA, National Rank 396
https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...n-academy-9286

BLA is much more Hispanic than CHS. And it has a greater college readiness ranking, curriculum and graduation rate. But CHS has better test scores (which might be in part because its 38% Asian).

BLA is the 2nd best of our 3 exam schools. With Boston Latin School being a top 40 school (changed its admissions 2 years ago to allow more black/Latino students in) and John D O Bryant being 90% minority and ranked 436 in the nation

The O'Bryant also has a higher graduation rate, college readiness score, curriculum score than Central, and its plurality black (34%) https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...d-science-9287

I attended private school for $500-$3100 annually in Boston with two full time working parents.

Carver High in Philly comes in at 68% black https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-17251 and ranks in the same 1000-1100 as New Mission High in Boston (56% black). Carver serves about 800 kids and New Mission typically serves 400.

Proportionally I think youre significantlybetter of with BPS than Philly PS. Cant speak to the private school situation because Boston area has a wide range of prices and financial aid policies, im sure Philly does too. I dont now "the average"
Boston Public Schools has been altering the admissions system for their highly sought-after exam schools. 22 years after being forced by a federal court to drop its quota mandating 35% of Boston Latin Shcool Students be black or Hispanic, BPS has found a new census tract and a socioeconomic way to diversify its prestigious examination schools which previously had admitted only 50% on grades and 50% on exam scores in 7th and 9th grade. Nearly every kid in Hye Park, Mattapan, and Roxbury can get admitted to these schools if they have a B or better average in elementary schools (that's not my opinion that is data). Dorchester has some higher-income census tracts that changes things a bit. This will stem the abuse of the private school till age 12 system some wealthier parents use now.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/05/...nesday%20night.

Students from low-income households had better luck getting into Boston’s exam schools under a new admission policy that for the first time gave bonus points to economically-disadvantaged applicants, according to a school department analysis released Wednesday night.

For those seeking admission next fall to the seventh grade — the most popular entry point for the exam schools — 45 percent of admission offers went to low-income applicants compared to 35 percent for Fall 2020, the last time the old admission policy was used.

Low-income applicants for the ninth grade also experienced similar success, obtaining 63 percent of all admission offers, a 11 percentage point increase from two years ago. That outcome matched the admission results under last year’s ZIP code plan.


Overall, 67 percent of the 1,283 seventh-grade applicants received an invitation to their first-choice school, 8 percent to their second choice school, and 3 percent to their third-choice school, while 22 percent did not receive an invitation.

Seventh-grade applications, however, were down dramatically. The exam schools received 1,283 for next fall, down from 1,666 last year under the ZIP code plan, and 2,833 two years ago under the old admission policy.

In grade 9, the exam schools received 984 applications, an increase from last year, but down notably from two years ago.

By Race

Admission to BLS (ranked #26 nationally, located where Roxbury meets Fenway):

2020 - White 50% Black 6% Hispanic 12%Asian 27%

2022 - White 23% Black22% Hispanic 21% Asian 29%

Admission to BLA (ranked #279 nationally, located on the border of Roxbury and Dorchester):

2020- White 40% Black 16% Hispanic 25% Asian 14%

2022- White 28% Black 24% Hispanic 29% Asian 12%

Admission to O'Bryant (ranked #230 nationally, located on Malcolm X Boulevard in Roxbury):

2020- White 17% Black 27% Hispanic 34% Asian 20%

2022- White 22% Black 27% Hispanic 31% Asian 15%

Generally, more white students opt out than other races.

Admission to 7th Grade Overall:

2020- White 40% Black 13% Hispanic 21% Asian 21% Mixed Race 5%

2021- White 31% Black 23% Hispanic 23% Asian 18% Mixed Race 6%

2022- White 25% Black 24% Hispanic 26% Asian 21% Mixed Race 6%

Fwiw New Mission in Hyde Park is harder to get into than any of these schools...
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Old 05-13-2022, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Whats typical private school tuition in Philly. We should also differentiate between Catholic and Secular private?

Boston Latin Academy is in one of the blackest parts of Dorchester and is pretty much the equivalent of Central HS. Both are 21% black albeit Central has slightly more kids- But BLA serves a far greater portion of Boston black students than Central serves Philly's black students.

CHS, National Rank 229
https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-17231


BLA, National Rank 396
https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...n-academy-9286

BLA is much more Hispanic than CHS. And it has a greater college readiness ranking, curriculum and graduation rate. But CHS has better test scores (which might be in part because its 38% Asian).

BLA is the 2nd best of our 3 exam schools. With Boston Latin School being a top 40 school (changed its admissions 2 years ago to allow more black/Latino students in) and John D O Bryant being 90% minority and ranked 436 in the nation

The O'Bryant also has a higher graduation rate, college readiness score, curriculum score than Central, and its plurality black (34%) https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...d-science-9287

I attended private school for $500-$3100 annually in Boston with two full time working parents.

Carver High in Philly comes in at 68% black https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-17251 and ranks in the same 1000-1100 as New Mission High in Boston (56% black). Carver serves about 800 kids and New Mission typically serves 400.

Proportionally I think youre significantlybetter of with BPS than Philly PS. Cant speak to the private school situation because Boston area has a wide range of prices and financial aid policies, im sure Philly does too. I dont now "the average"
I believe Catholic school tuition runs somewhere around $7k-$8k/year. Friends and other private schools run two to three times that. Of course, scholarships can reduce the out-of-pocket cost at both.

BTW, Central is also the second-best high school in the Philadelphia public system. Above it is Julia Reynolds Masterman, which admits students starting in grade 5. It usually ranks in the U.S. News Honor Roll of the 50 best high schools in the nation (2022 rank: 10th) and consistently ranks as the #1 public high school in Pennsylvania.

The school is majority-minority but plurality white. Blacks make up only 14.5 percent of Masterman's student body. The student body is small, though — 482 students in all grades — and it's quite difficult to get into (if you don't get in in fifth grade, it will be almost impossible to get in in grade 9).

As for the quality of the regular public schools, I spoke with a bunch of parents who enrolled their kids in their "bad" local public school and were quite pleased with how they were doing. The article I wrote on this topic, which is partly autobiographical, appeared in the 2020 Schools Issue of PhillyMag.
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Old 05-13-2022, 09:00 AM
 
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I believe Catholic school tuition runs somewhere around $7k-$8k/year. Friends and other private schools run two to three times that. Of course, scholarships can reduce the out-of-pocket cost at both.

BTW, Central is also the second-best high school in the Philadelphia public system. Above it is Julia Reynolds Masterman, which admits students starting in grade 5. It usually ranks in the U.S. News Honor Roll of the 50 best high schools in the nation (2022 rank: 10th) and consistently ranks as the #1 public high school in Pennsylvania.

The school is majority-minority but plurality white. Blacks make up only 14.5 percent of Masterman's student body. The student body is small, though — 482 students in all grades — and it's quite difficult to get into (if you don't get in in fifth grade, it will be almost impossible to get in in grade 9).

As for the quality of the regular public schools, I spoke with a bunch of parents who enrolled their kids in their "bad" local public school and were quite pleased with how they were doing. The article I wrote on this topic, which is partly autobiographical, appeared in the 2020 Schools Issue of PhillyMag.
Very cool that you're an editor for Philly mag, ive seen your name before.

Shoot man i don't know..given your age and unique circumstances I could see why your school was the best school for you but my experience was not the same. I honestly wouldn't touch most BPS with a 10-foot pole. Its scandal after scandal over there- just this year"
  • Principal beat by students into unconsciousness at the Henderson Inclusion School,
  • Student and teacher shot by teens on scooters at Tech Boston Academy during dismissal
  • Student throws boiling hot water on teacher school doesn't call 911 at Henderson Upper School
  • Student has a stroke, school REFUSES parent request to call 911 and doesn't move the boy for 45 minutes at Henderson Upper School
  • Multiple guns found at multiple schools (Dearborn Academy, Excel Community)
  • Dozens of sexual assaults go unreported at Mission Hill K-8 over the course of 5/6 years and lead to immediate closure of the school after this school year
  • 5 superintendents in 9 years
  • 7 principals in 9 years at some schools.
  • Outgoing superintendent wasn't even currently licensed
  • White School committee member resigns due to mocking Asian and black names on a hot mic
  • Two Latina school committee members resign after racial comments about white parents in West Roxbury
  • Boston Public Schools are on their second audit in as many years by the state and are facing a likely state takeover for an undetermined amount of time
  • Can't forget 2015 when a school Dean and gang member, Shaun Harrison, shot a kid point-blank in the back of the head for not selling enough weed and molly at English High.

I dont trust any BPS school that isn't an elementary school, exam school or highly sought after AND a PILOT/Arts like New Mission or Boston Arts Academy. There are some good schools, but most arent.

When I was in High School I had the opportunity to walk inside of my local high school (CASH and the Social Justice Academy at the time) straight-up chaos in there. As a visitor, I immediately saw the school was old as all hell and kids were doing whatever they wanted to whomever they wanted, no surprise the school was a failure and shut the next year.

Decade after decade after decade since you left school is when I came onto the scene and by then the entrenchment of social dysfunction and low expectations had rooted out a lot of stability. The only benefit to going to a standard BPS school would have been the scholarship opportunities it could have availed me of and th lack of commute. Still after seeing 2 or three BPS schools in action and constantly hearing from my BPS friends as ids about how much they hated their teachers, getting beat up, getting bags of pennies thrown at their faces during recess at the Margaret Fuller School in Jamaica Plain. Another kid came from BPS to my private school when we were in 3rd grade she told us at how in her old school they had to wear puffy coats all winter due to a broken boiler. 48 BPS schools currently need new boilers. One BPS teacher told me recently that kids at her school aren't allowed to bring their math textbooks home "BPS math teacher here. We had one set of textbooks for the classroom. Kids weren't allowed to take them home because of the risk they would forget them at home. So we had a classroom set and just weren't able to give homework from the book."

I was not only scared of Boston Public Schools I was totally disinterested in ever attending one that wasn't the O'Bryant or Boston Latin Academy. They sounded and looked miserable with no playing fields, all sorts of weird cockamamie names, and uncomfortable and inappropriate locations.. Often times they can't drink the water because they have lead in the water

Brighton High School had all types of mold and mice in their floorboard when I went to reinstall floors on summer. Literally had to wear a mask to work in one classroom. Their idea of an AV system in 2014 was still a small tube TV in the upper right-hand corner. I remember us calling English High 'Pregant High' due to all the pregnant students at the school'. I remember a movie about the ESPN movie gang beef on the Madison Park Basketball team (another really poorly performing school) when I was in 7th grade.

Anecdotally, the students coming out of BPS were not on my level of academics or general knowledge of civisand geography really. In working in the Ella J. Baker House in Dorchester I had the chance to work in the after-school program and would see kids with 4.4 GPAs and very regular SAT scores like 1520 out of 2400. What I considered just average colleges. And often went to The Globe followed up on Boston Public School valedictorians and they're life outcomes were pretty sad unless except from the exam schools.

Having seen the school in my neighborhood and gone to the school I went to I'm pretty confident the school nearest my home, at least for HS, wasnt the best school for me. Elementary school? Sure.

Don't get me started on Baltimore Public Schools and kids missing class because they're caught in the metal detector line for 30-40 minutes to start the day. Canceled school days due to heat (no AC...in baltimore), School buses that never come (issue in Boston too), and kids getting passed for 143 days of school that he missed. Or 41% of kids haing a gpa of 1.0 or below yet post a graduation rate of 71%.

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Old 05-13-2022, 10:02 AM
 
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Very cool that you're an editor for Philly mag, ive seen your name before.

Shoot man i don't know..given your age and unique circumstances I could see why your school was the best school for you but my experience was not the same. I honestly wouldn't touch most BPS with a 10-foot pole. Its scandal after scandal over there- just this year"
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I dont trust any BPS school that isn't an elementary school, exam school or highly sought after AND a PILOT/Arts like New Mission or Boston Arts Academy. There are some good schools, but most arent.

When I was in High School I had the opportunity to walk inside of my local high school (CASH and the Social Justice Academy at the time) straight-up chaos in there. As a visitor, I immediately saw the school was old as all hell and kids were doing whatever they wanted to whomever they wanted, no surprise the school was a failure and shut the next year.

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Having seen the school in my neighborhood and gone to the school I went to I'm pretty confident the school nearest my home, at least for HS, wasnt the best school for me. Elementary school? Sure.

Don't get me started on Baltimore Public Schools and kids missing class because they're caught in the metal detector line for 30-40 minutes to start the day. Canceled school days due to heat (no AC...in baltimore), School buses that never come (issue in Boston too), and kids getting passed for 143 days of school that he missed. Or 41% of kids haing a gpa of 1.0 or below yet post a graduation rate of 71%.
Actually, I agree with your point about the difference between grade school and high school. All of the parents I spoke with for that article had their kids enrolled in a neighborhood grade school save one — the Germantown parent whose kid went on from Anna Lingelbach to Masterman. (She was one of two fellow congregants at First Presbyterian Church in Germantown who double-teamed me after services one Sunday and put the idea for this article into my head, about two years before I finally got the go-ahead to write it.)

You may recall seeing an ABC News report on "The Most Dangerous High School in America" in which students at Strawberry Mansion High School here had to surround reporter Diane Sawyer to protect her from a fight that had broken out around her in the school cafeteria.

I don't think the magnet high schools here are as bad as the one you described, though. Most of them do pretty well by their students, and some of them have great reputations for their specialized curricula — in particular, the High School for Creative and Performing Arts (some say that the movie "Fame" was based on this school, but I'm not sure it was), Bodine High School for International Affairs (I'm friends with a Bodine grad who I once asked point blank why he didn't end up going to Harvard, too; his answer: he wanted to be popular more than brainy) and W.B. Saul High School, which I believe is one of the few big-city high schools in the country with an agricultural curriculum. But the general neighborhood high schools like Strawberry Mansion are every bit as bad as the ones you described here. I suspect puberty has something to do with the difference.
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Old 05-13-2022, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Boston Public Schools has been altering the admissions system for their highly sought-after exam schools. 22 years after being forced by a federal court to drop its quota mandating 35% of Boston Latin Shcool Students be black or Hispanic, BPS has found a new census tract and a socioeconomic way to diversify its prestigious examination schools which previously had admitted only 50% on grades and 50% on exam scores in 7th and 9th grade. Nearly every kid in Hye Park, Mattapan, and Roxbury can get admitted to these schools if they have a B or better average in elementary schools (that's not my opinion that is data). Dorchester has some higher-income census tracts that changes things a bit. This will stem the abuse of the private school till age 12 system some wealthier parents use now.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/05/...nesday%20night.

Students from low-income households had better luck getting into Boston’s exam schools under a new admission policy that for the first time gave bonus points to economically-disadvantaged applicants, according to a school department analysis released Wednesday night.

For those seeking admission next fall to the seventh grade — the most popular entry point for the exam schools — 45 percent of admission offers went to low-income applicants compared to 35 percent for Fall 2020, the last time the old admission policy was used.

Low-income applicants for the ninth grade also experienced similar success, obtaining 63 percent of all admission offers, a 11 percentage point increase from two years ago. That outcome matched the admission results under last year’s ZIP code plan.


Overall, 67 percent of the 1,283 seventh-grade applicants received an invitation to their first-choice school, 8 percent to their second choice school, and 3 percent to their third-choice school, while 22 percent did not receive an invitation.

Seventh-grade applications, however, were down dramatically. The exam schools received 1,283 for next fall, down from 1,666 last year under the ZIP code plan, and 2,833 two years ago under the old admission policy.

In grade 9, the exam schools received 984 applications, an increase from last year, but down notably from two years ago.

By Race

Admission to BLS (ranked #26 nationally, located where Roxbury meets Fenway):

2020 - White 50% Black 6% Hispanic 12%Asian 27%

2022 - White 23% Black22% Hispanic 21% Asian 29%

Admission to BLA (ranked #279 nationally, located on the border of Roxbury and Dorchester):

2020- White 40% Black 16% Hispanic 25% Asian 14%

2022- White 28% Black 24% Hispanic 29% Asian 12%

Admission to O'Bryant (ranked #230 nationally, located on Malcolm X Boulevard in Roxbury):

2020- White 17% Black 27% Hispanic 34% Asian 20%

2022- White 22% Black 27% Hispanic 31% Asian 15%

Generally, more white students opt out than other races.

Admission to 7th Grade Overall:

2020- White 40% Black 13% Hispanic 21% Asian 21% Mixed Race 5%

2021- White 31% Black 23% Hispanic 23% Asian 18% Mixed Race 6%

2022- White 25% Black 24% Hispanic 26% Asian 21% Mixed Race 6%

Fwiw New Mission in Hyde Park is harder to get into than any of these schools...
This is wonderful; however, it will negatively impact the local schools in Black neighborhoods. If enough Black middle-class families in Hype Park, Mattapan, Dorchester, and Roxbury send their kids to the neighborhood schools, they will improve. If parents continue to take their children out of the schools in their neighborhood, those schools will never improve. The reason many Capitol Hill neighborhood schools improved in DC over the last 20 years is because all the White people that moved into the neighborhood put their kids in the neighborhood schools, took over the PTA, and demanded improvement. That is how you improve schools. Black middle-class families have to fight to improve their schools and it starts with enrolling your children.
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Old 05-13-2022, 03:39 PM
 
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This is wonderful; however, it will negatively impact the local schools in Black neighborhoods. If enough Black middle-class families in Hype Park, Mattapan, Dorchester, and Roxbury send their kids to the neighborhood schools, they will improve. If parents continue to take their children out of the schools in their neighborhood, those schools will never improve. The reason many Capitol Hill neighborhood schools improved in DC over the last 20 years is because all the White people that moved into the neighborhood put their kids in the neighborhood schools, took over the PTA, and demanded improvement. That is how you improve schools. Black middle-class families have to fight to improve their schools and it starts with enrolling your children.
Well there are no neighborhood Boston public high school to begin with. It’s not DC, there’s still a very complicated very obscure bussing thing for racial balance from 1974. They spend $125M per year on it. The no-choice part and school busses for high schoolers faded in 1988. You get like three choice of HS and then it’s a lottery- I think. So what you’re saying unfortunately isn’t even an option. AND thousands of Black, mostly AA kids are busses to METCO Schools everyday. Kim Janey, Marilyn Mosby, Cousin Stizz and former mayoral Candidate Tito Jackson are all examples of that. That’s another thing that doesn’t exist in most metros.

No middle class people black or white are banking on a neighborhood school after 5/6th grade. This is huge huge for black and Latino Bostonians and took many years to reach this point. It essentially guarantees any (lower) middle class black parent living in a black neighborhood will be able to get their kids into a good MS/HS. I only say good and not excellent because we don’t know for sure if the quality of the school will remain as high.

But put it this way they broke it up into 8 tiers of neighborhood advantage based on census tract: the first 5 tiers require a it of recruiting even to get kids to be aware of it (I think I grew up in tier 5?). They had a 99% admit rate. Tier 6 HS a 92% admit rate. Tier 7, 61%, tier 8 44%.
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