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Old 01-05-2022, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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MD you had asked about upscale hangout spots. here's a good example:

MELODIOUS LLC PRESENTS: MAKEYSHA MONTGOMERY LIVE PERFORMANCE AT FORT HILL BAR AND GRILL
WHEN: JANUARY 09, 3:00 PM - 7:00 PM
WHERE: 2805 WASHINGTON STREET, ROXBURY, MA
AGES ALLOWED: ALL AGES
COST: $10

"Enjoy the music sounds of Soulful Gospel Southern R& B singer Makeysha Montgomery singing all of your favorite song hits at 2805 Washington Street Fort Hill Bar and Grill in Roxbury on Sunday, January 9, 2021. *$10 Charge at the Door*"

In true Boston fashion- this is a Southern Gospel event taking place at a Dominican Bar that sits at the end of MLK Boulevard... in what's a Jewish neighborhood 75 years ago. They also host Empire viewings (when it was on) Red-Sox Yankee games, "Tek weh Yuhself Sundays", "Soul in the City Saturdays", "Sexo en El Playa Fridays"

Makeysha Montgomery is a successful professional in the Boston area

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Old 01-05-2022, 02:13 PM
 
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In terms of another city, these Buffalo neighborhoods mentioned in another thread would fit most or all of the criteria: https://www.city-data.com/forum/62555190-post983.html

Here are some restaurants near both of these neighborhoods and in other parts of the city: https://stepoutbuffalo.com/guide-to-...urants-in-wny/

Another list with some spots not on the first list: https://www.buffalorising.com/2020/0...taurants/amp/#
An example of one that is on the other side of Main Street in North Buffalo: https://www.jenesaisquoibuffalo.com/

There are black businesses on Jefferson, Bailey, Main, Broadway and East Delevan, among others(some are on Hertel Ave. in North Buffalo for an example). Most of these streets are either in or close to those neighborhoods.
Street views of those corridors, which have potential for infill(which is occurring to some degree) Jefferson: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9112...2!9m2!1b1!2i37
What it once was from 5:00-6:00:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T--YzTDNyBc

Bailey(just north of Kensington): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9387...2!9m2!1b1!2i37
There is a black middle class presence in that area also east of Bailey, a couple of street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9467...2!9m2!1b1!2i37
A block group the second view is in: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...oup-4-erie-ny/

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9458...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Main Street(has a mix): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9517...7i16384!8i8192

Broadway: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8937...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

East Delevan: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9225...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9220...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

A nearby cultural corridor that is looking to be developed: https://www.michiganstreetbuffalo.org/ near this portion of Broadway: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8865...2!9m2!1b1!2i37


As for another neighborhood that comes to mind is the 19th Ward in SW Rochester NY. https://www.google.com/maps/place/19...!4d-77.6478852
https://rocwiki.org/19th_Ward

The zip code that covers the vast majority of the neighborhood: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/86000US14619-14619/

It has this business district in the neighborhood which has multiple black owned businesses: https://rocwiki.org/Thurston_Village
Where it starts at its northernmost point: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1387...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Other business districts: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1302...2!9m2!1b1!2i37
General area: https://rocwiki.org/Brooks_Landing
https://rocwiki.org/Genesee_Street
https://rocwiki.org/Brooks_Avenue

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1422...6!9m2!1b1!2i37
https://rocwiki.org/Arnett_Boulevard

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1449...2!9m2!1b1!2i37
https://rocwiki.org/Chili_Avenue

Most of the middle class in the neighborhood is west of/around Thurston, around/south of Brooks and in this historic district also called the Sibley Tract: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibley...toric_District
Mentioned in the this older article: https://www.rochestercitynewspaper.c...nt?oid=2188714
Street view in that historic district: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1402...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Its city council rep is the woman in the article(South District): https://www.cityofrochester.gov/arti...?id=8589935617

County rep(27th District): https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/ro...ty-legislature
https://www.monroecounty.gov/legislature-legislators

State assembly rep: https://nyassembly.gov/mem/Demond-Meeks

Bus routes: https://www.myrts.com/Portals/0/Sche...-14-124840-950
https://www.myrts.com/Portals/0/Sche...-14-124836-647
https://www.myrts.com/Portals/0/Sche...-14-124837-860

Wilson Magnet HS is in the neighborhood in the Sibley Tract and offers an International Baccalaureate program. https://www.rcsdk12.org/domain/4847
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000050526
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000050526
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000050526
The city's previous and current mayor are graduates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovely_Warren
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_Evans

Rochester Academy Charter is another solid academic program in the neighborhood. https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000061097
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000061097
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000061097
https://www.racschool.com/

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Old 01-05-2022, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Street views of those corridors, which have potential for infill(which is occurring to some degree) Jefferson: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9112...2!9m2!1b1!2i37
What it once was from 5:00-6:00:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T--YzTDNyBc

Bailey(just north of Kensington): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9387...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Main Street(has a mix): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9517...7i16384!8i8192

Broadway: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8937...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

East Delevan: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9517...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9220...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

A nearby cultural corridor that is looking to be developed: https://www.michiganstreetbuffalo.org/ near this portion of Broadway: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8865...2!9m2!1b1!2i37
Major "Deep North" vibes in that its not too architecturally different than new England(obviously newer)- but d man those streets are just so wiiiiide. Its a mix of Midwest and New England. THose wide streets and lack of trees kill the vibe kinda. East Delevan is nice though in terms of street width but still light on the retail. Broadway had some activity too.
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Old 01-05-2022, 02:44 PM
 
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Major "Deep North" vibes in that its not too architecturally different than new England(obviously newer)- but d man those streets are just so wiiiiide. Its a mix of Midwest and New England. THose wide streets and lack of trees kill the vibe kinda. East Delevan is nice though in terms of street width but still light on the retail. Broadway had some activity too.
Yeah, I would say that Bailey also has a lot of potential and portions of Main would be good to develop with the Metro Rail running under/along it.

The Rochester street views I added generally aren't as wide.

I'm surprised that you didn't mention Mattapan/Mattapan Square, which would seem to fit a lot, if not all of the criteria.

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Old 01-05-2022, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Most of those are the same strip. It looks like a main street downtown area. Is that downtown Hyde Park? Looks really nice and I noticed a few restaurants and tons of businesses. Is it mainly Black owned businesses along that corridor? I assume this is the same area you posted prior that was over 70% Black.
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Old 01-05-2022, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Most of those are the same strip. It looks like a main street downtown area. Is that downtown Hyde Park? Looks really nice and I noticed a few restaurants and tons of businesses. Is it mainly Black owned businesses along that corridor? I assume this is the same area you posted prior that was over 70% Black.
id only say the first two are the same strip and the only ones in Downtown HP. The third is close by. A few are on river street which is a miles long node through Hyde Park and Mattapan.

Later ones are on hyde park ave.

More off street Parking is on Cummins and American Legion https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2839...7i16384!8i8192.


About 5 minutes from Hyde Park and very close to my childhood home is the pedestrian area of Mattapan Square. Clary Square (downtown Hyde Park) was equidistant to me from Mattapan Square, Mattapan might be slightly closer.. The thing is Mattapan is poorer with poorer retail and less African American (but much blacker-mostly Haitian and Nigerian)

Wolcott Square in the Readville section of Hyde Park. Truman Parkway in the Fairmount section.

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Old 01-05-2022, 03:45 PM
 
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That area reminds me of what a restored Historic Anacostia in DC could be after everything is built. DC has a long way to go though. Boston seems light years ahead of DC in their Black neighborhood retail saturation.

Historic Anacostia Street View

This stretch has tons of development happening right now with first floor retail reserved for Black owned businesses and restaurants.

Washington Area Community Investment Fund (WACIF) Moving HQ's To Anacostia

A Church in Historic Anacostia Applies for Residential Redevelopment

MLK Gateway Phase I Delivered Summer 2021

MLK Gateway Phase II Broke Ground Summer 2021

RFP Released For Massive Mixed-use Redevelopment in Anacostia

Reunion Square Broke Ground in Summer 2021

81 Unit Building With 11,000 sq. Feet of Retail Broke Ground Summer 2021

And the biggest change of all coming:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrR5w40IMKg
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Old 01-05-2022, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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id only say the first two are the same strip and the only ones in Downtown HP. The third is close by. A few are on river street which is a miles long node through Hyde Park and Mattapan.

Later ones are on hyde park ave.

More off street Parking is on Cummins and American Legion https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2839...7i16384!8i8192.


About 5 minutes from Hyde Park and very close to my childhood home is the pedestrian area of Mattapan Square. Clary Square (downtown Hyde Park) was equidistant to me from Mattapan Square, Mattapan might be slightly closer.. The thing is Mattapan is poorer with poorer retail and less African American (but much blacker-mostly Haitian and Nigerian)

Wolcott Square in the Readville section of Hyde Park. Truman Parkway in the Fairmount section.

Wow, there is so much potential to build up those areas. Do you see mid-rises taking off in all these commercial areas? I could definitely see 4-6 story buildings lining these streets with retail on the first floor filled with nice brunch spots with music, grocery stores, banks, cleaners, etc. Do you think the young Black professional population would move into apartments and condos along those corridors if they build new buildings?

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Old 01-05-2022, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Street views of those corridors, which have potential for infill(which is occurring to some degree) Jefferson: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9112...2!9m2!1b1!2i37
What it once was from 5:00-6:00:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T--YzTDNyBc

Bailey(just north of Kensington): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9387...2!9m2!1b1!2i37
There is a black middle class presence in that area also east of Bailey, a couple of street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9467...2!9m2!1b1!2i37
A block group the second view is in: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...oup-4-erie-ny/

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9458...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Main Street(has a mix): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9517...7i16384!8i8192

Broadway: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8937...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

East Delevan: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9225...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9220...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

A nearby cultural corridor that is looking to be developed: https://www.michiganstreetbuffalo.org/ near this portion of Broadway: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8865...2!9m2!1b1!2i37


As for another neighborhood that comes to mind is the 19th Ward in SW Rochester NY. https://www.google.com/maps/place/19...!4d-77.6478852
https://rocwiki.org/19th_Ward

The zip code that covers the vast majority of the neighborhood: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/86000US14619-14619/

It has this business district in the neighborhood which has multiple black owned businesses: https://rocwiki.org/Thurston_Village
Where it starts at its northernmost point: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1387...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Other business districts: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1302...2!9m2!1b1!2i37
General area: https://rocwiki.org/Brooks_Landing
https://rocwiki.org/Genesee_Street
https://rocwiki.org/Brooks_Avenue

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1422...6!9m2!1b1!2i37
https://rocwiki.org/Arnett_Boulevard

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1449...2!9m2!1b1!2i37
https://rocwiki.org/Chili_Avenue

Most of the middle class in the neighborhood is west of/around Thurston, around/south of Brooks and in this historic district also called the Sibley Tract: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibley...toric_District
Mentioned in the this older article: https://www.rochestercitynewspaper.c...nt?oid=2188714
Street view in that historic district: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1402...6!9m2!1b1!2i37

Its city council rep is the woman in the article(South District): https://www.cityofrochester.gov/arti...?id=8589935617

County rep(27th District): https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/ro...ty-legislature
https://www.monroecounty.gov/legislature-legislators

State assembly rep: https://nyassembly.gov/mem/Demond-Meeks

Bus routes: https://www.myrts.com/Portals/0/Sche...-14-124840-950
https://www.myrts.com/Portals/0/Sche...-14-124836-647
https://www.myrts.com/Portals/0/Sche...-14-124837-860

Wilson Magnet HS is in the neighborhood in the Sibley Tract and offers an International Baccalaureate program. https://www.rcsdk12.org/domain/4847
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000050526
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000050526
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000050526
The city's previous and current mayor are graduates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovely_Warren
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_Evans

Rochester Academy Charter is another solid academic program in the neighborhood. https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000061097
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000061097
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000061097
https://www.racschool.com/
What kind of Black population growth is Rochester seeing? There is a lot of potential for revitalization. Do you see the area attracting population growth? There are some beautiful detached single-family historic homes in your links. Reminds me of Detroit which also has stately detached single-family homes.
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